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This is as interesting as it is scary, gentle readers. Fox News reports:
Hillary Clinton may say she is not seeking the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, but British bettors are apparently not convinced, with one site getting more wagers on her than for any of the declared candidates.
UK bookmaker Ladbroke allows people to put money on the race, and according to Matthew Shaddick, head of their political betting division, the former First Lady and Secretary of State is currently leading the pack when it comes to the number of bets people have made.
‘We’re baffled, to be honest,’ Shaddick told Newsweek. ‘We’ve taken more bets on her to be the Democratic candidate than any of the other runners.’
The site currently has Clinton’s betting odds at 20 to 1, placing her alone in seventh place as far as best odds. That is ahead of most of the people actually running, including Sens. Cory Booker, D-N.J., and Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, and former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke.
Another former first lady who is not running for president is also getting better odds than some of the people in the race. Michelle Obama currently has odds of 100 to 1, ahead of candidates including New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, author Marianne Williamson, and billionaire Tom Steyer, who are each at 200 to 1.
We’ll discuss this shortly, but let’s look at the frontrunners:
Ladbrokes currently has Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., as the front-runner with 6 to 4 odds, with former Vice President Joe Biden at 5 to 2, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., at 5 to 1, and entrepreneur Andrew Yang, Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg at 16 to 1.
What’s happening here? Here’s the logic that might help explain this sort of thing. The Democrat National Committee established a precedent during the last presidential election cycle of cheating. There is no doubt they deprived Bernie Sanders of the nomination in favor of Hillary Clinton. It was a dishonest and cynical political calculation, to be sure, but not unrealistic, by their way of thinking. Bernie Sanders wasn’t really one of them, and while they agreed with his stances, it was Hillary’s turn, and at the time, the Democrat Party was a wholly owned subsidiary of Clinton, Inc. We all know the result. Clinton lost, plunging the Democrat establishment into a maelstrom of rage, madness and recriminations. Since Leftist ideology and policy cannot possibly be wrong, their only possible response was to blame others, and try to depose Trump. That hasn’t worked out so well.
Circa 2019, their coup lies in ruins. They’re reduced to idiotic attacks on Brett Kavanaugh, the Second Amendment, and an increasingly farcical impeachment circus against President Trump, who any remotely sane person has long known is not going to be impeached, not only because Republicans hold the Senate, but because—and to Democrat/Socialist/Communists this is an inconsequential point—he has done nothing impeachable.
Their candidates for the presidency are the subjects of ridicule and outrage by rational Americans, who rightly see their free stuff promises as so wildly impractical as to bankrupt the nation, while simultaneously taking away fundamental American liberties. Bernie Sanders has gone full communist—never go full communist—while Elizabeth Sanders is biting at his heels in the full communist race, promising to all but destroy American industry and business, and to tax the middle class into oblivion.
Now that Bernie Sanders has suffered a heart attack, his declining poll numbers–he’s already behind Warren–will almost certainly take a nosedive, assuming he actually remains in the race. Warren is now within two points of Biden, whose numbers are almost certainly going to continue to decline.
Biden is a major problem for D/S/Cs. On one hand, the D/S/C base cannot go full communist fast enough. On the other, what little remains of sanity and recognition of the Constitution in D/S/C ranks realizes that Biden, who is careful to conceal his socialism, might be the best chance to beat the hated Trump. The problem is Biden’s age, which is, more and more, becoming apparent, not only in his serial gaffes, but in very real signs of mental diminishment. Some in there 70s, like Donald Trump, remain vital and sharp, while Biden is showing every second of his age.
Still, they may be stuck with him because he is the only candidate that has maintained any pretense of actually loving America and Americans, and of any kind of political moderation. Even so, in the contemporary Democrat Party, that puts him firmly in the middle of socialism, and the more rational D/S/Cs, few though they are, know normal Americans aren’t going to go for that, at least not yet. They dimly realize that calling Americans racists, white supremacists, and every other epithet of which D/S/C/s are so fond will not tend to make American’s vote for them, but they can’t help themselves, because as Joe Biden said, they believe in truth over facts, narrative over reality.
The media will, as they did in 2016, produce fake news and polls that show whoever gets the D/S/C nomination the inevitable winner by a landslide, but Americans trust the media even less than they did in 2016, and that miniscule trust is diminishing by the day.
It remains possible, even likely, Elizabeth Warren could win the nomination, and if she does, the D/S/C establishment has a very real problem. She will not move to the center, and if she does, the Trump campaign has hour and hours of her continually more radical pronouncements for campaign ads. Rational political strategists will surely realize none of their candidates can beat Donald Trump and the American economy, which is why they’re hoping against hope for a recession.
So let us imagine, gentle readers, the Democrat convention. None of the candidates are likely to beat Trump—another loss would make Trump Derangement Syndrome seem like a little temporary, mild anxiety–and the precedent of throwing their own under the campaign bus is well established. What to do? Bring in the dark horse savior! And so we arrive at Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.
Clinton has enormous baggage to be sure, but she knows where a great many bodies are buried, and is not shy about using whatever power, and dirty tricks, she has. She’s a reliable communist and has been since her youth, but she’s a drunk, has undisclosed but obvious physical issues, and is unlikely to take orders from anyone. Her worst baggage is she’s a two time presidential loser, a very sore loser, and is among the most unlikeable people on the planet.
Michelle Obama, would, in many respects, be a D/S/C dream candidate. She’s female and she’s black, and isn’t it about time for a black female president? Because of an adoring, tongue-bathing, “just look at her arms!” press, she has high approval ratings, and above all, she has no voting trail, or any policy positions stuck in the public consciousness, apart from forcing school districts to throw away tons of food kids wouldn’t eat. Many D/S/Cs would see her as certain to continue Barack’s legacy—what little there is left of it—and would surely think he’d be a power behind the throne, in a sort of Clintonian “two for one” sense. D/S/Cs could also be mollified by the fact that her college papers so carefully hidden all these years reveal a committed Socialist/Marxist.
Of the two, D/S/Cs are more likely to go for Obama. Having taken no widely disseminated Marxist positions prior to being acclaimed the nominee, her college grades, connections and writings safely hidden away, she can lie her as…er, arms…off after the convention, saying whatever is necessary to beat Trump. There won’t be any film catalogue of insane positions/gaffes for the Trump campaign to exploit. She can use the Barackian tactic of high-sounding, meaningless rhetoric, making aspirational but feckless promises. The base of the D/S/C Party would presumably keep quiet, knowing she was lying, and knowing she’d reveal her true colors once elected. They would not be red, white and blue.
Of course, this scenario of a “draft Hillary/Michelle” ploy at the convention may not come true at all. Biden may take it, and more rational D/S/Cs may be able to hold off the S/C faithful with promises of sufficient vote fraud—ballot harvesting, voting dead, etc.—to beat Trump, and who knows what October Surprises they’ll float this time around? Maybe Donald Trump was there, 35 years ago, helping Brett Kavanaugh rape an entire troop of Girl Scouts and eating their cookies? And if Warren takes it, the D/S/C/s may be able to hold off the sane through sheer, crazy rage and threats of political—and other—violence.
The DNC might, just might, stick to its own rules and some minimal standard of ethics this time. Then again, it’s like the old story of the rattlesnake that talked a turtle into ferrying him across a river, only to immediately bite him on the other side:
“But you said you wouldn’t bite me,” said the dying turtle.
“You knew I was a rattlesnake when you agreed to give me a ride,” hissed the snake.
UPDATE: 10-09-19, 0040 CST: With Bernie Sander’s heart attack, his campaign has lost any momentum it might have had. He’s angry and deranged enough to think he must carry on the holy cause of totalitarianism until he suffers a massive MI onstage, but a wiser man would quit and survive. He was already fading solidly into third place, and is likely to be surpassed by the likes of Pete Buttigieg. One of the primary reasons the Left is pushing impeachment theater is their fear of what’s going to be revealed when the Inspector General and AG Barr’s investigations become public. Donald Trump is not going to be impeached. In fact, this impeachment farce is already blowing up in the faces of Dems, who actually think the American people are so stupid they don’t realize if a President can be impeached on the word of hearsay, anonymous, masked witnesses, it will damned surely happen to them. In trying to kill Trump, they’ve killed Gropin’ Joe Biden, who has actually committed, and publicly admitted, the offenses Trump is falsely accused of committing. Will this lead to the scenario I’ve outlined? Impossible to say with any certainty, but the mere fact it is entirely plausible should give any rational American pause.
UPDATE: 10-09-19, 1215 CST: Again? In what alternate universe did she beat Donald Trump, or any other presidential candidate, the first time?
This is all assuming Trump gets to 2020… which he very well could, given the Senate GOP is scared to death of ticking off the Grand Master. Not so sure I would be thinking about 2020 and Dem candidates until something happens with all this impeachment talk though.
I’ve been telling you all along… this is all going to get worse for the country in general in some form. I have extreme faith in Trump being Trump.
Nevertheless, I am sure FOX has the pulse of what’s happening.
Sorry to be a nitpicker, but its Kavanaugh, not Cavanaugh.
Michelle ticks off a lot of the intersectionality boxes, but not only lazy, she’s never even run a lemonade stand, she’s married to Barack, who’s so yesterday, and a lot of kids whose starved rather than eat her lunches are now of voting age and are going to remember the Hungry Times.
As for Her Odiousness, ‘This Time Fer Sher’ simply isn’t going to resonate with the electorate. I don’t think there are enough dead, repeaters, and dead ringers around to push her past the post first.
You talkin’ to ME? Methinks you meant to reply to the other guy. Although.. I am willing to bet your next lottery winnings that Trump never ran a lemonade stand either given his white privilege, yada, yada.. On the other hand.. I have. A number of them, in fact. Yet, I’ve decided not to run at this time.
Dear Doug:
Oh come on. Trump never ran a lemonade stand? He’s done a bit better than that.
Well, the other “replier” said Michelle probably never ran a lemonade stand.. sorta like that was something for a presidential resume. I was replying to that. Yep.. I realize Trump has said he’s been a truly fine and accomplished businessman.
Dear TarsTarkas:
Typo. Fixed. Thanks for the catch. As for the rest, what you said.
Dear Doug:
Fox, unlike most other former news outlets, actually reports the facts–for the most part–and lets readers/viewers decide. that’s in large part, and their obvious success, why the media and Left hate Fox so much.
This is indeed going to get worse for America, but that’s because half of the nation wants to destroy the Constitution to cement their political power permanently. Respect for the Constitution, and willingness to say “we can’t do that; it’s unconstitutional,” is the only thing that can save us.
You said…
“This is indeed going to get worse for America, but that’s because half of the nation wants to destroy the Constitution to cement their political power permanently.”
Sounds like you’re still on this civil war kick, Mike. Assuming for the moment your stat is correct… you are suggesting half of your fellow Americans are destroying the Constitution to grab power. So.. what do you think should be done with that wayward 50% that’s “destroying” the Constitution for that quest for power?
Dear Doug:
That’s easy. Where they violate the law, they should be prosecuted and given every right the Constitution provides in the process, including due process and the presumption of innocence. It is normal Americans that seek to uphold the Constitution. You know precisely who does not.
I think Trump has been a huge violator of the Constitution and most certainly an obstructionist all the way around. You and others do not… and why? Because you believe so much that what the man is doing is right for the country therefore anything that looks “wrong” can either be ignored or simply considered a trade-off for all the (alleged) good things he has done. Trump is a “victim” to all his enemies. Now.. THAT sounds like Nixon all over again.
Apparently there are multiple interpretations of the Constitution floating around. In my case my opinion of Trump has NOTHING to do with my politics given I’m already the same party as he is… allegedly. Forget the Clintons and the Obamas.. they are not in the presidency.
Seems to me if you (and the rest of His supporters) prefer to believe there’s a deep state conspiracy then go after it… hell, expose it.
Dear Doug:
Has he now? Examples, and be specific, of precisely how Mr. Trump has violated the Constitution. Extra credit for facts rather than conjecture. As to a deep state conspiracy, I suspect you’re going to get your wish for exposure in the not too distant future, but that’s up to the AG and IG, not the proprietor of this scruffy little blog.
I’ll settle for “obstruction” of Congressional oversight investigations and contempt for ignoring subpoenas, for impeachment purposes. All the other criminal violations will reveal themselves through the courts over time given he’s obstructed all those processes for now to run out some clock.
Dear Doug:
Impeachment is a political event, and while crimes might be involved (none are known in this case), that’s not the business of Congress. No crimes, no obstruction. Likewise, asserting a privilege of a co-equal branch of government is not obstruction. At best, such things must be worked out by the courts, and until they are, nothing remotely like obstruction is involved. Considering congressional D/S/Cs are currently depriving the President of even the slightest due process, it’s rather hard to blame him for not playing along–on any basis.
House impeachment process is NOT a due process.. process. The due process comes in the Senate.
Dear Doug:
Not so. There is substantial precedence that requires due process in congressional matters, this being only one example. You should be for substantive due process as well. One day there will be a Democrat president. Presumably you’d want him/her afforded due process? I would.
You’re ex-law enforcement.. that means you should already know that an investigation is an investigation. Due process doesn’t begin there. He’s gets all the due process he wants at the Senate trial.
“If I’m indicted, I’ll take half of DC with me!” -Hillary Clinton.
Promises, promises.
Dear Tom:
Heh, heh.
Doug, you’re wrong again. Trump has been very respectful of the Constitution. He has tried to force congress to pass a real budget, which is a major part of the checks and balances. He has repeated asked congress to fix the immigration laws. He has solid, if obscure, legal basis for declaring a national emergency and thereby redirecting funds to build the wall. Same with regulatory cuts, tariffs, rewriting NAFTA, and more.
Please cite examples.
He hasn’t done any of this… and there’s a bottleneck in the Senate keeping anything from going through. Define “real budget”. There’s different versions of immigration reform in both houses and he won’t look at anything. There’s been NO new wall construction.. just a lot of wall replacement.
Tariffs? Yep.. those trade wars are working for sure. Ranks up there with removing our troops from Syria and letting the Kurds be killed off.
Sorry, Phil. Try watching something other than Trump’s Ministry of Propaganda, FOX.
Doug, a 10 second search on the net will show that walls have been built and are being built. Trump used an obscure 1970s law to declare a national emergency and divert funds from elsewhere in the budget. And he did it immediately after congress passed a 2-year spending resolution, so even congress can’t stop it now. Brilliant.
Trump somehow got both the outgoing lame-duck Mexican president and their president-elect to agree to the USMCA, and then forced the reluctant Canadians to sign it too. Mexico had even ratified it, although Pelosi and Trudeau haven’t…yet. It stops third parties from dumping good into the US via Canada and Mexico under NAFTA, which is something that China has been doing for years.
Mexico put 6000 nation guard soldiers on their border after Trump’s tariff threat. Border crossings are down by 60% in the last four months.
Congress refuses to fix immigration laws, so Trump forced Mexico and Central American countries to follow international agreements for political refugees to stop in the first safe country, not just pass thru to the US.
Your reply was weak even by your standards. Bring some substance next time.
Sept. 13, 2019 (yep.. a whole month ago; think they’ve built any honest-to-goodness NEW wall yet?)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-enters-new-phase-for-border-wall-sets-ambitious-timetable-after-securing-land
(From your FOX people)
“The administration touts that approximately 60 miles of “new border wall system” have been built so far. Critics note that this represents replacement wall in areas that already had existing barriers and fencing.”
“When you take that down and you put in what is being built now — that is a new wall,” one official said at a briefing in Washington earlier this week.”
His alleged “accomplishments” are not worth all the chaos he’s caused… to me. But that’s of little consequence.
Doug, please get out of your bubble. Fox has been going commie for years. Yes, thy still have Hannity and Tucker, but overall they’ve been moving left since the kids took over. Their recent poll showing 51% approval for impeachment over-sampled Democrats by 14 points! And Chris Wallace has become an unwatchable defender of the swamp. And there’s a reason that administration officials now mostly give interviews to Fox Business.
Let me guess.. the Deep State conspiracy?
Oh Doug. You can’t honestly deny that the career bureaucrats in DC are working to undermine Trump, can you? That’s not a conspiracy theory. We’re seeing it every day.
Video of a section of wall built with private funds, from CBS, which I assume you see as a reliable source.
Doug, you should love this one. They are complaining about the wall construction’s impact on cactus. From NPR, so it’s from your people.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/11/769193107/border-wall-construction-in-arizona-bulldozes-cactus-columns
So, tell me, if there’s no wall being built, they why would they be upset about the cacti? There’s a joke in there somewhere, about tree-huggers and cacti…but this is a serious blog so we’ll move on.
Oh, and here’s another one from from NPR where they outline how El Salvador is increasing border enforcement. Even NPR is admitting that this is happening solely because of Trump.
https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=765480416
Is the Sierria club reliable in your world? Here they’re complaining about how the wall looks. If there’s no wall construction, then how do they know how it looks?
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/slideshow/ugly-behold-what-border-wall-construction-looks
It took me all of about 2 minutes to find these links. You need to get out more. There’s a big wide world out there.
Actually.. I took about 15 minutes and found at least 15 different CURRENT reports.. and not two agrees.
Doug wrote “Actually.. I took about 15 minutes and found at least 15 different CURRENT reports.. and not two agrees.”
Oh all of my links are current. And mine had videos and photos of the big, beautiful wall. The one that you said wasn’t being built, which was the whole point of this exercise. Remember?
In addition to seeking therapy for your TDS, you should also consider some basic training on internet searches. The library often has free classes.
While you continue to thump your chest over some lame “gotcha” because that’s all you have, there’s real issues in the world.
Yes, real issues that Trump is fixing. Domestic energy independence. Domestic steel production up dramatically. Economic growth up. Stock market up significantly since his election. Record high employment. Manufacturing moving back to the US. China’s economy losing steam and bleeding manufacturers. Taxes cut. Regulations reduced. Constitutionalist judges appointed. NATO shouldering more of the load. Military properly funded. Illegal immigration down. Wall being built. NAFTA dead. TTP dead. Paris climate accord dead. Stage 1 trade deal with China just got signed. Iran in the ropes. North Korea partially defused.
All real problems that have been created and ignored by past administrations from both parties, but are being solved by Trump.
Well, Phil.. not going to debate the factual validity of your “success” list there. Honestly.. for the sake of argument.. if all that were indeed successes, all that has not been worth all of Trump’s audacious presidential behavior, illegalities and corruption, and profiteering that Mueller, the various court challenges in the works, and the current impeachment investigation are revealing. Mike is calling for Trump to have due process a bit early given it’s just an investigation… but I am actually anxious to see his due process unfold in the Senate…. and the court challenges as those drag on.
You accuse me of having less of an open mind. I rather doubt that because I am on Mike’s blog here because I do have an open mind.. and I am not here screaming and shouting diatribes. But don’t confuse differences in how facts are accepted as being a lack of open mindedness.
Perhaps our differences are more about my perceptions of Trump’s caustic personally and his actions and behavioral (dis)functions.. and folks like yourself prefer to measure the man by his end result accomplishments and not how he might have achieved them.
Doug,
It’s nit a game of “gotcha”, I’m merely responding to your statements. Like the one earlier in this thread where you claimed that no new wall was being built.
If you don’t want to be mocked then don’t say mockable things.
Didn’t consider it a mock… but was willing to concede that many sources have reported what seems to be different ideas of “wall” and “new”. I will certainly agree that someone, somewhere, built and is building, part of a new wall. But not sure it’s party time with champagne to toast a victory just yet. Trump’s grabbing of Pentagon money under his idea of an “emergency” is not going well so far; land owners are objecting to various wall going through their property, etc. Yep.. a few sections appear to have been built…. and my summations were accurate up to August. Ooops.
Doug, you really gotta’ get out of your bubble. Here’s a news clip about a section of wall being built in April of 2018, when Jeff Sessions was still the Atty. General.
Yes, that says 2018. As in, 19 months ago.
I suggest you try reading and absorbing info from some new sources, like Mike here, whom you clearly visit yet obviously don’t listen, Don Surber, Victor Davis Hanson, and Daniel Greenfield (aka the Sultan Knish). All are independent bloggers with free sites.
“In April, the Border Patrol began construction of a “border wall” near El Paso at Santa Teresa, N.M. During a press conference, Aaron Hull, Chief Patrol Agent of the U.S. Border Patrol in El Paso sector, mostly referred to the project as the wall, sometimes calling it “fence” but quickly correcting himself. Hull said the metal barrier was the same design as others from the 2006 Secure Fence Act. The new barrier replaced existing metal posts which were designed only to block vehicles.”
(https://www.msn.com/en-us/kids/people-places/is-trumps-border-wall-being-built-here-are-the-facts/ar-BBQOINz) MSN report, 12/2018
The “new” wall described in the CBS report was replacing old fencing and those pillars to discourage vehicles. So.. no.. not “new” Trump fence but rather replacement of existing barrier under the 2006 Fence Act.
To complicate our wall pissing match here, there’s a fair amount of privately funded wall put up already.
Oh, and Bookworm Room too. I believe that she’s frequently recommended by Mike.
Dear The other Phil:
By all means, put Bookroom on your daily “to read” list.
Doug, if you’re still lurking, this one explains Trumps Middle East plans.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/13/president-trump-is-100-correct-on-syria-withdrawal-heres-why/#more-173577
Hehehe.. The Conservative Treehouse, huh. A solid source like that could never be wrong for sure.
Doug, and here’s more, from Texas this time. No word on the status of the cacti.
https://www.wate.com/news/crews-clear-path-for-south-texas-new-border-wall/
D’oh! I just posted some more links, but it’s disappeared. Apparently we can only post one link at a time. I apologize for any duplication if the original post appears later, but I had to make sure that this one got in here. It’s from the Sierra Club, and they are complaining about the wall’s appearance.
https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/slideshow/ugly-behold-what-border-wall-construction-looks
Dout, is the Sierra Club now part of the vast right wing conspiracy too?
Doug, you also mention Syria and the Kurds. They are not monolithic. The Maoist PKK is designated by the US as a terrorist organization, and are the likely target of Turkey. The other major faction, the SDF, helped us against a common enemy. But the US owes them nothing more. Are you advocating for the US to spend more blood and treasure by staying in the middle of a centuries-long ethnic conflict? If we must stay until everything is “fixed” then you’re advocating for staying forever. Trump campaigned on ending these endless wars, and like all of his promises, he is doing all he can to fulfill them. Good for him.
I heard that he wants to stop all the endless wars as well. Hey.. you hear he is sending another 2,800 troops to the Saudi Arabia to keep Iran in check? Must be part of his fulfilling the bringing our troops home and stopping the endless wars. By the way… I must have missed this… why are we sending our troops there? Oil, again? I thought our domestic production means we don’t need these other countries anymore.
Let’s see here.. the Kingdom is paying for all our deployment over there. Oh dear… our troops are now mercenaries?
So.. let me get this straight… we’ve been selling the Saudis high tech defensive weapons yet a few Iranian drones get through and knock out an undefended Saudi oil production facility and they are paying US to help them defend against potential Iranian aggression because Trump cancelled the Iran Nuclear Agreement that had been working as intended all along, but decided it wasn’t inclusive to address Iran’s belligerent involvement in tensions in Iraq and Syria?
And this area of the world is a better place because of Trump?
The Iran nuclear deal was only designed to kick the problem past Obama’s term in office, not to actually prevent them from getting atomic weapons. Obama played people like you for suckers. You should be mad at him, not me. Trump is crushing the Iranian economy with sanctions. Iran is seemingly trying to provoke us into a war. Generally in war it’s a good idea to be cautious of doing what your enemy wants you to do. Why fight when we’re winning? So Trump has held back, in spite of calls from both side to start shooting, and is providing defensive forces to Saudi Arabia, mostly missile defense forces. At the same time, he is continually reminding China, EU, Japan, and South Korea that they need Gulf oil a lot more that the US does. China has lots of shiny new ships, so let them fight to keep the oil flowing. The US is no longer the worlds sucker, willing to spend blood and treasure to defends other counties’ interests.
And this is all necessary in order to permanently prevent Iran from gaining nukes, which is fight worth fighting.
Ohhhh.. so us sending troops to Arabia is for some future “good” fight (if the deterrence part of this doesn’t work) that only Trump can determine that is good? Ok.. that makes perfect sense since he always promotes his genius-level abilities that we don’t need to question.
“The Iran nuclear deal was only designed to kick the problem past Obama’s term in office, not to actually prevent them from getting atomic weapons.”
I frankly did not know you had some inner factual knowledge to pull out that conspiracy. Is this another “Trump-wisdom” thing or yet another Conservative “it’s so obvious” lament?
You may be an engineering genius, Mr. Phil, but your level of political assumptions is pretty much average like the rest of us.
The Iran nuke deal was never designed to end their program. They got to keep everything, and simply had to promise not to enrich. It’s a joke.
As for the deployment in SA, it’s easy to see that the Saudis, like the EU and others, want the US to fight for them, which in the past we did. But no longer. Thanks to increased domestic energy production due to capitalism and Trump’s policies, this really isn’t our fight any longer. So we put more air defense units in place to increase pressure on Iran. And we wait while Iran’s economy crumbles.
It doesn’t take a genius to see this, but it does require an open mind.
Dear The other Phil:
Quite so. Mr. Trump has, in fact, labored mightily against constant resistance to restore the rule of law, and to return power to Americans.
In April, a bipartisan group of Congress members, including AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rand Paul, signed a letter condemning Trump for keeping US forces in Syria. Now, they are condemning him for abandoning the Kurds.
And when Obama abandoned Iraq, he was praised for “ending the war.”
If Trump advocated breathing oxygen, the Dems would advocate suffocation.
Depends who’s being suffocated (metaphorically speaking, of course).
Doug, did you enjoy the Sierra Club’s photos of Trump’s new wall?
I see our tax dollars at work there. This looks like real honest-to-goodness NEW wall.. and not more replacement. I sure feel safe now!
You know.. far be it by me to cast doubt on the wall design since I am not an engineer of any kind.. but one of the big advantages of The Great Wall of China and other similar through man’s development, is the idea of you can’t see what’s on the other side.. out of sight, out of mind. It’s one reason we put fences up in our yards.. a major part of the deterant is that anything of value is out of sight, thus reducing a desire to get past the fence or wall. So.. what is being done here is the construction of a “taunting” barrier. You not only can easily see through the fence toward the freedom you can’t have (illegally, of course), it seems like you can walk right up to it and put a body appendage through it (which in itself conjures up some interesting X rated legal scenarios). Anyway, seems the message with this fence is… “You can see it, feel it, touch it, stick your nose through and smell it.. but eat your heart out, cause try as you will, you ain’t gettin’ in!”
Now.. that message is ok.. given we want to deter illegal entry.. but you’d think a person’s desperation and quest for a better life is just being given hope when it’s all just inches away. Human determination will find a way but seeing the other side is a psychological draw for sure. A taunt.
Yeah.. I’m no engineer but I have a grasp on human nature.
Doug, well I am an engineer, with 30 years of experience in construction. And given what you wrote there’s no need for you to clarify that you aren’t one, as it shows quite clearly.
..and you have little knowledge of human psychology. Which makes my point.. the engineers/designers failed to include human nature in their formulas.
Ummm…Doug, you can see through the wall, between the vertical portions. It’s by design, so people can’t “hide” on the other side, and throw rocks, for instance, or build structures to climb over. The design feature was requested by border patrol agents.
Yes, Phil.. I understand the design concept. But to watch the OTHER SIDE requires someone on THIS SIDE to see through the fence at the right time. Since you can’t really have a 24/7 human on THIS SIDE staring through all the fence at the same time to watch those on the OTHER SIDE, seems you may need cameras on OUR SIDE pointing through those rails-bars-whatever? So.. would not a solid wall with cameras do the same thing? In fact… with the current “see through” concept, does that not now make anyone on OUR SIDE an easy target for anyone on the OTHER SIDE wishing to set up an ambush sniper position to shoot between those barrier bars-rails-whatever? Seems to ignorant me that them shooting at targets of opportunity on OUR SIDE is more likely a no risk for them given we are likely bound by some “rules of engagement” in shooting back across a border into another sovereign nation; we have rules and the OTHER SIDE does not. Now.. I suppose some international agreement for the border could be negotiated with the OTHER SIDE for self-defense response… but our own law enforcement in big cities can’t distinguish if someone walking down a street is a threat or not (given cell phones look like guns) and we expect no self-defense accidental shootings from OUR SIDE to the OTHER SIDE? For that matter… what about “patriot” nut jobs on OUR SIDE taking pot shots over to the OTHER SIDE?
Nah.. you’re right. The fence is a perfect piece of design engineering to keep people out and OUR SIDE safe.
Doug, many people were able to simple walk across the border, where there was little to no barrier. Smugglers were telling people how easy it is to get into the US and how the stupid US laws/rulings allow you to essentially stay forever. The wall is intended to dissuade people from making the dangerous journey from central America and beyond. So to are the legal changes that Trump is making, and the economic pressure that he’s applying to Mexican and others. The goal is to dissuade people from making the journey, on which many are robbed, rapped, and/or kidnapped. The old process was a drug runners and human traffickers dream. No longer. I’d think as one who understands human nature would be able to grasp the big picture. I guess not.
Oh no no no. The goal is NOT to dissuade people from making the journey. That long term immigration job falls to the State Department to address Central (and South American) problem spots to intervene in diplomatic ways to keep disgruntled refugees from leaving their countries to begin with. But Trump has gutted State.. and the leadership is filled with unqualified appointees that exist to promote his whims… not the national good.
As I said.. it’s human nature to seek safety wherever refugees perceive they can go for safety. Many of these Central and South American countries are really below Third World with uneducated populations. Sure.. whatever wall you wanna put up at the southern border will keep people out to some measure.. but that does nothing to solve the greater problem…. crappy governments create refugees. These people are going to see America through that barrier. That’s their hope.
Dear Doug:
One can sympathize with people seeking a better life while simultaneously understanding that a country without secure borders and the rule of law isn’t a country at all.
I agree with exactly what you just said, Mike. We differ on the means Trump is using. I am certainly not speaking for anyone but me… but seems we can all agree on what you said.
You know…the wall that you say isn’t being built?
Bueller, Bueller, Doug, Doug?
Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit recently posted links to these headlines:
-Trump’s Betrayal of the Kurds May Be the Dumbest Move of His Presidency.
-Obama Betrays The Kurds.
-Bush Betrays The Kurds.
-[Bill Clinton’s] US abandoned us, say Kurds.
-A People Betrayed: Twice Before, Washington Let Kurds Die to Promote Foreign Policy Designs. Now It’s The [George H.W.] Bush Administration Doing The Deed.
Dear Tom:
As you say, these were the people who were opposing any war, until Obama became President, and of course, they’re against anything Trump does. We all must be cautious about thinking “kurd” means everyone in the world with that heritage. There are a variety of Kurdish groups, not all amenable to us and liberty. We must also be careful about believing anything the media has to say where Trump–actually just about anything–is concerned.
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