Friday, June 27th, 2014, 0-dark-thiry: The politicians have made their decision. By a twist of fate–your file simply happened to be on the top of the stack for no particular reason–you’ll be the first example. A state police SWAT team pull to the curb in front of your home, leap from their van and rush to your front door. Two black-clad men pull back a ram and swing it toward your front door, aiming just above the knob, while the rest of the team waits anxiously, their automatic weapons charged and off safe. Two hope they’ll get the opportunity to shoot. At least one wants to manufacture the opportunity.
You’ve made two major mistakes; they will cost your life and destroy your family: you live in a blue state where the governor and legislature have no respect for the Constitution and the lives and liberty of citizens, and you were foolish enough to obey the law.
Starting awake from a sound sleep by the explosion of your door being smashed open and the heavy stomping of booted feet, you stumble down the stairs and into the hallway. As you turn toward the sounds, you’re blinded by multiple bright lights and hear many people screaming at you, but their words are unintelligible. You raise your hands to shield your eyes, but you have your cell phone in your right hand. As soon as it comes into view, you’re overwhelmed by a tidal wave of explosive sounds and feel the first bullets rip into your body. There are stars, so many stars, winking and suddenly, everything goes silent and black and your last conscious thought is a feeling of falling.
The SWAT team, surprised when you suddenly appeared only five feet from them, screamed conflicting commands at you. When you raised your hands and one of them saw something dark in your right hand, he jerked back the trigger of his MP5 submachine gun and didn’t let go until the weapon was empty. Seeing him fire, four more did the same. Of the 137 rounds five of the team initially fired, only 18 actually hit you, but it was enough. The rest shredded your home from floor to ceiling and wall to wall. Six nearby homes were hit, as were four cars. As you lay dying, your heart beating ever more slowly and weakly, you were spared the horror of your wife’s death.
As she descended the stairs, she saw you hit, blood spurting everywhere, falling to the floor, she screamed loud and long and ran down the steps. When she suddenly leapt into the hallway from the staircase, the nearest officer, who had been staring in shock at your bleeding body, and most of all, at the cell phone near your right hand, was startled. One of only two who had not completely emptied his magazine, he emptied it into her. The rest tried, but with one other exception, their guns were empty, and they frantically and impotently jerked their triggers. The other exception managed to fire the remaining six rounds in his weapon. Of the final 13 rounds fired, eleven hit your wife, five in the chest, three in the head. She was dead before her body fell onto yours, the sickening thump of her head on the hardwood floor echoing in the sudden silence and roiling gun smoke.
That was when they heard screaming upstairs, and gathering their courage and slamming fresh magazines into their guns, rushed upstairs, breaking into your 7-year old daughter’s bedroom, to find her lying in a widening pool of blood on her tiny bed. One of the officers tripped over his own feet as he was charging into the house and triggered nearly a full magazine through the ceiling–into her bedroom and through her bed. One of his fellow officers caught three rounds on his bullet resistant vest, but that will be covered up for years. Your daughter will survive. She’ll be in a medically induced coma for two weeks, and when she awakens, she’ll be informed she’s an orphan, a paraplegic orphan with a single lung.
An investigation of the State Police SWAT team by the State Police done within a month of the murders will find the State Police blameless, and will proclaim them heroic paragons of SWAT virtue.
Your sister’s family gladly takes your daughter in, and after two years, years in which the State Attorney General, the Governor, many politicians and the news media depict you, your wife, and even your daughter as murderous domestic terrorists, a jury finally awards your daughter 30 million dollars. She’ll need every penny to support her the remainder of her shortened life. Unfortunately, a judge sympathetic to the state reduces the award to seven million dollars. The AG, Governor and his advisors, angry and vindictive, get authorization from a corrupt and cooperative judge to steal your daughter from your sister’s family and put her in a group foster home run by people who do it for the substantial money the state pays. The state also seizes the 7 million dollars for reimbursement for taking care of your daughter. The Speaker of the State House of Representatives pronounces it a just and fitting end for a family of domestic terrorists and swears to bring justice to all domestic terrorists.
Why were the police there? You tried to obey the law and register an AR-15 you bought. Unfortunately, you missed the deadline by two days, so the state knew you had the rifle and four magazines. What they didn’t know was that you bought the gun as a birthday present for your adult son who lives in Montana. The gun and magazines were in Montana only a week after you bought it. The state police attacked your home because they thought you had an “assault weapon” and “high capacity magazines,” all of which had been in Montana for months. They were scared to death of anyone with an “assault weapon,” so they sent a SWAT team.
Documents eventually made public during the civil suit will reveal that the state police made no attempt to verify that you still owned the weapon. They will reveal that a corrupt and cooperative judge–guess who?–signed hundreds of blank search warrants. They will also reveal that only 31% of local police departments and sheriff’s offices cooperated with the State Police; 69% refused to violate the Constitution. Not that any of that means anything to you. You screwed up and you’re dead. Your daughter will come to wish she had died that night as well.
Far-out fiction? The decision about which I spoke is being made in Connecticut as you read this article. Connecticut’s most recent gun restrictions signed into law by Governor Dan Malloy (D) include the requirement that anyone with magazines of greater than 10 round capacity must register them, and all “assault weapons,” with the state no later than January 1, 2014. Under many circumstances, violation of these laws is a felony.
As Bob Owens at Bearing Arms reports, most Connecticut residents disobeyed their legislative betters:
Only 50,000 firearms and 38,000 magazines were registered. Perhaps another 350,000 firearms belong to those who refused to register their arms. Nearly 2 million magazines are thought to remain unregistered.
These unregistered firearms and magazines are thought to belong to 80,000-100,000 gun owners who view the law as a blatantly unconstitutional infringement upon the very spirit of the Second Amendment, and a prelude to confiscation.
But what about people who did their best to obey the law? Suckers!
Those most obviously in danger of being arrested at this time are 106 rifle owners and and 108 magazine owners who tried to register their arms, too late. The government knows exactly who they are through their botched registrations, and sent them letters giving them options on how to surrender their arms and magazines.
But the police wouldn’t do that! Yes they would, at least enough of them to fire a second shot heard around the world. Let’s briefly examine what the police are sworn to do and how they think.
All police officers swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and to enforce the laws of their jurisdiction. They are members of the executive branch of government, and like the President or the Governors of the several states, are responsible for seeing that the laws are faithfully enforced. There are always two potentially exclusive principals at play in law enforcement: officers are expected to fairly and uniformly enforce the law, yet may lawfully refuse illegal orders and may refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws.
Practically, this rarely becomes an imminent conflict. Officers are given a great deal of discretion, and usually don’t enforce ridiculous, unconstitutional laws. Almost always, no one says a word about it. This is so because thoughtful, professional officers know that they are the pointy end of the spear. They know that the only reason our system works–and they survive–is because most people respect the law and are willing to obey it most of the time. Were that not true, police officers wouldn’t last a day. The police need the respect and willing cooperation of the public, and smart cops understand this.
Legislators, on the other hand, often care about nothing but seizing and maintaining power. Too many come to see themselves not as public servants hired temporarily to do the people’s business, but as the intellectual and moral superiors of the people, divinely chosen–by themselves; they recognize no higher power–to tell the people what to think, what to say, what to own and how to behave. They do not react well to the people thinking for themselves or refusing to obey. They forget–if they ever knew–that no rational legislator passes a law they know will not be obeyed, because when they do, and when people ignore them, a difficult choice is forced upon them. Take it and back down from a law they should never have written in the first place, or attack and show those peasants who’s boss. Punish them for daring to challenge their betters.
And who are the enforcers for the elite legislative class? The police.
Police officers must always consider three factors in their law enforcement decisions:
(1) Maintaining the rule of law. They do this by upholding the Constitution, fairly enforcing the laws that actually have to do with public safety while honoring the rights of all.
(2) Upholding the social contract. Police officers are given their powers by the people to deal with truly dangerous and harmful people and situations. People are willing to respect and obey the police as long as they do not breach the social contract by becoming not even-handed enforcers of laws that actually protect the public and make civilized society possible, but partisan enforcers for a lawless government.
(3) Doing what is reasonably necessary to do their jobs honestly and honorably.
Smart police supervisors and executives also know they should never give an order that will not be obeyed. Even so, will the police violate the Constitution, break the social contract, act dishonestly and dishonorably in doing their jobs? Many will. Refusal might mean the loss of career and pension, discipline, even prosecution. Some buy into the idea that they are the masters of the people, not their servants. Others will go along to get along. Some will honestly, but wrongfully, believe their duty is to follow orders regardless. But enough will do it.
The decision facing Connecticut legislators, the Attorney General and the Governor is stark: do they back down, refuse to actively pursue gun owners made instant felons by their unconstitutional laws, or do they suppress the peasants, perhaps even kill a few to make the point? That would never happen? Consider the Jose Guerena case, and the case of Andrew Lee Scott. Consider this from The Examiner:
A journalist in Connecticut reports that the highly restrictive and punitive gun control laws the state passed last year carry an ominous threat for citizens.
Those who missed the deadline to register their ‘assault weapons’ and high capacity magazines, which have been outlawed, will be treated as criminals although they may have attempted to obey the law but just missed the deadline.
Ed Jacovino of The Journal Inquirer further stated that Michael P, Lawler, a top aide to Gov. Dannel Malloy, contends that the state will punish those who missed the registration deadline whether they intended to or not.
According to Jacovino: ‘And while the state won’t immediately prosecute those who missed the deadline, it isn’t ignoring that information, either. The rifle and magazine declarations will be included in information given to police responding to a certain address. ‘This would be a factor in deciding how to respond to different situations,’ Lawlor says.’
Read that statement closely. Lawlor is saying that if a citizen calls the police to report a crime in progress, officers will be able to see whether or not the person reporting the crime has registered their assault weapons and high capacity magazines, and will approach the emergency call accordingly.
Honest officers trying to do their jobs honorably would carefully consider the three aforementioned factors. They would realize that these laws are clearly unconstitutional and will, sooner rather than later, be ruled so. They would understand that pursuing honest citizens who refuse to obey an unconstitutional law is a gross and unforgivable violation of the social contract, and such violations will cause breaches that will never be healed. Trust lost is never regained. Particularly, arresting–even killing, and some will die–people who actually tried to obey even an unconstitutional law but missed a deadline by a day or two is particularly dishonorable, even evil. To do their jobs honestly and honorably, they would quietly refuse to enforce those laws. Their supervisors and administrators, usually understanding of the three factors, would say nothing and do nothing.
Because the mere possession of magazines and AR-15-like weapons is not a crime if they are registered, police officers have no probable cause to investigate people for mere possession of such things. How can any officer, by merely looking, tell if a magazine holds 10 or 11 rounds? How can they tell if a magazine or a rifle have been registered? To be forced to tear apart magazines and to examine and investigate every rifle they see exceeds an officer’s powers and reduces them to corrupt, thuggish operatives of a police state demanding to see anyone’s papers at whim. Were this lawful, were this truly a significant law enforcement priority, why not simply station State Troopers at every shooting range as a gatekeeper? Of course, actual criminals tend not to frequent shooting ranges, but one has to have priorities.
If in the course of their normal duties they find themselves in a situation where they have genuine–not manufactured–probable cause to investigate further, they might need to enforce those particular laws, particularly if they’re dealing with real criminals rather than honest citizens criminalized by a corrupt legislature, but other than that, professionals would leave it alone. There are far more pressing issues that the public will support and recognize as clearly upholding the social contract.
And this will work–it does every day–if the police are left to their own devices. But as the Examiner noted, that may not be the case. This is an issue about which the police are very much aware, and honest officers worried. Recently, a woman whose husband received a threatening letter called the State Police and spoke with Lt. J. Paul Vance, who is apparently the head of public information for the State Police. Take this link to hear her recording of their conversation.
While the woman is somewhat naïve regarding these issues, she is asking valid questions, particularly, if ordered to go to the homes of honest citizens and seize their firearms and accessories, will the State Police do it? Will they put themselves and the citizens they serve in deadly danger to enforce unconstitutional laws? Will they put honest citizens in situations where officers will feel compelled to kill them?
As the call goes on, Lt. Vance becomes upset and defensive, very reluctant to admit that the police are even considering such things, saying, among other things:
“I don’t want to talk about the Constitution at all–at all.”
“It sounds like you’re anti-American and anti-law.”
“I’m the master.”
He repeatedly tells her to speak with her attorney and says he would never come to her home, because it’s not his job (of course not; he’s an administrator). She corrects him, noting that lower ranking officers would do it, but he wants to avoid admitting that, and pretends that the police are automatons with no control over which laws to enforce. He also pretends not to understand that police officers coming to the homes of the law abiding to seize their weapons are in any unusual danger, nor will he admit that their actions would put citizens in danger. He knows better; any competent police officer knows better.
Anyone listening to Lt. Vance should come away with the understanding that the State Police certainly will send SWAT teams to the homes of citizens, and will, if they deem it necessary, kill them over the number of rounds their magazines are capable of holding and the appearance of their rifles. They will kill people to please blood-thirsty politicians.
Some local agencies–particularly sheriff’s departments, because sheriffs are elected–will refuse to participate, but many will. Police officers on the coasts are different than those in flyover country. They are generally more anti-gun. The State Police absolutely will, and few, if any, will have any qualms about it. In law enforcement circles, state police officers are known to be rigid and inflexible. Because they generally have no ties to a particular community, many quickly develop an “us-against-them” mentality. Their training and rank structure and daily relationships also tend to condition them to think themselves superior to local officers, and to be much more militaristic than other law enforcement agencies.
Have no doubt. If Connecticut politicians decide to punish the peasants, the State Police SWAT teams will raid the homes of the innocent. People will die. The social contract will be irretrievably broken, and the police–and politicians–will be seen as, and treated as, the enemies of Americans. They will have earned it.
If Connecticut’s legislators have any common sense, any honor, any decency, they will, at the very least, leave this alone and let this ultimately be decided by the courts. If they’re actually smart, they’ll repeal these unconstitutional laws before lives are lost.
Any bets on which path they’ll take?
Jason said:
You mean “You live in a blue state” instead of live red state? I don’t think Connecticut is a red state,it may be I’m not up on that stuff that well but Arizona seems to qualify as one.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Jason:
I did indeed mean a blue state. It’s so hard to be perfect. Thanks for the catch!
Orion said:
Actually, I thought the LT did a pretty decent job of keeping his temper under an obvious attempt to elicit a reaction.
That being said, the whole situation in this country right now really gives me the willies.
Orion
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Orion:
Thanks for your comment! During my police days, I had similar conversations with citizens, most of whom were merely confused about the Constitution and the role of the police in enforcing the law. While this lady also had a bit of that confusion, she was asking one very serious and timely question that the Lt. dishonestly refused to answer. While the police sometimes pretend to be absolutely pristine enforcers of every law, each and every one of them knows that they can’t enforce every law, not even most of them, and that they often and entirely rationally and lawfully choose not to enforce laws passed to make political statements.
Smart police officers explain this to citizens when they take the time to ask. They do it by explaining that they probably won’t enforce such laws because they have far more pressing priorities, but that every law on the books can theoretically be enforced at any time. That the Lt. was clearly defensive and refused to provide such a common and reasonable explanation should give every citizen of Connecticut pause. He was as much as admitting that the State Police either intend to enforce such laws, or will do so if ordered by the Governor. He is also admitting that they will use deadly force against citizens made criminals by a criminal legislature.
Why anyone that honors the Constitution would live in such a state is beyond me.
timashley2013 said:
Mike, thanks for a great insight here. You said “Why anyone would live in such a state is beyobd me.” I agree. Which brings me to a question I thought about when reading your article—if a person with an unregistered firearm and/or magazine were to leave the state of CT and establish permanent residence in another state, will he still be subject to prosecution by the state of CT if the person was a resident of the state of CT after the registration deadline. Would the “Full Faith and Credit” article be applicable in a case such as this?
“Any bets on which path they’ll take?” I think we all know where to lay our money on that one.
bloodyspartan said:
You talk about laws on the Books , well the Constitution is the Law that Restricts you and YOURS and you all cleverly avoid it .
The Constitution restricts Government all forms of it.
YOU Timmy boy like many ,says we all should run away , WHY they are the EVIL not us. They Evil will always follow. and Running never solves andything.
The Declaration is the Ultimate law and you have broken it time and time again.
SO when the Blood comes remember it is the Civilian Doing his duty Per the Declaration and asserting his birth rights given by his creator.
Otherwise join us and stop whining about your pensions and I am going home .You took the JOB.
DaveP. said:
Don’t mistake a feature for a bug. The people running the show in Connecticut (and in D.C. as well) don’t view the ‘social contract’ as anything other than a convenient excuse, to be discarded as soon as they feel capable of grabbing the power they think they deserve. They don’t mind if there’s blood shed, because then they can dance in it while offering up whatever incident is involved as proof that ALL guns need to be confiscated by force from ALL citizens.
When I said that Democrats weren’t Americans and hadn’t been for a long time, I wasn’t kidding.
John said:
To wit, Holder telling the State’s AGs to ignore the laws they don’t agree with (ie, gay marriage).
bloodyspartan said:
Holder is just commie crap
Barb Gabhart said:
Its not simply one political party against another. Stop making that mistake. It is ‘big government’…there are members on BOTH sides who are wanting this to happen. It is about corporate america taking over the peasants and turning this country into a dictatorship. There are so many ways in which they are trying and succeeding in doing this right now. We are getting it from all sides. We have the take over of our schools through CCSS, we have the FDA not allowing us to grow/sell/eat our own foods, and then there is the guns. By taking over all 3 of these areas they are essentially keeping us under their control, and moving us more and more towards worker bees and a commodity to be bought and sold to make them money.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Barb:
You are, of course, correct. I often use the term “statists” as Mark Levin does, to that end.
tharbold said:
It’s not even just the fact that both political parties are complicit in the problem, although that’s true – I’ve believed for some time that the only real difference between Democrats and Republicans is which rights, specifically, they want to strip from us. It goes deeper than that, to the corporate oligarchs and plutocrats that have no loyalty to anything but the profit motive, and who jerk the puppet strings of both parties. Timely that this article came across my newsfeed today: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14 It’s more important than ever that those of us who still believe in our democratic Republic, the Constitution, and the rule of law “hang together, or we will surely hang separately.”
Chip Bennett said:
I think the caller was merely posing as the spouse of someone who received the “turn ’em in” letter. While I appreciate what she was trying to do and the responses she was able to elicit from Vance, I find her attempts to provoke him to be counter-productive.
But back on-topic: this cannot and will not end well. At what point do the people force the legislature to act? What will the ratio of Sandy Hook victims to State-killed victims need to be before the issue comes to a head?
On a more-positive note: 350,000 firearms that belong to owners who refused to comply with an unconstitutional law – that means anywhere from 100,000 to 300,000 patriots in blue-state Connecticut. Connecticut is roughly 1% of the country’s population. That means, at an absolute minimum, the militia of patriots across the country consists of one to five million bitter clingers – though I’m guessing that Connecticut, being a Northeast Blue state, under-represents gun-owning patriots, especially those of us in flyover country.
Molon Labe
george milton said:
I’m certain it is far more than 5 million. These people are not clingers they are gun owners. If you own something then it is yours and cannot be taken away. Certainly not something which is clearly stated in the constitution as a right of every citizen.
Refusing to surrender a firearm which you legally obtain and own is not “clinging” it is a basic cornerstone of capitalism – private property rights. To consider violating both private property rights, right to self defense AND right to bear arms in one conversation would be to dissolve the constitution and the government and submit the nation for discussion and debate about forming a new leadership. This is also within the rights and power of the American citizens to vote on a nationwide referendum to dissolve and reform the government to cleanse it of the current corruption and degrading corporate ownership.
1stworlder said:
Keep in mind the fired affirmative action LA cop Dorner and Obama for America supporter had the most populous state in the Unioun and the national guard hunting him for over a week before they caught him Despite killing a judges family and others leftists still thought he might not have been fired for discipline problems but racism.
Herb1949 said:
Sorry dude, but it isn’t the leftist that think he was fired for racism. There are a whole bunch of of very conservative people that believe he was fired because he refused to bow down to the inherent racism and thuggery in the PD.
Rick Steed said:
Well I’m from Ohio and I support the persons that did not register their guns! Just like I would never register mine because I believe in my constitutional rights. They cannot enforce law against the constitution, as it is Illegible! Those of you who want to break your oath shall be subject to death because you are voluntarily breaking the law. You need to ask yourself if your family needs you! When you break the law you and your family lose all benefits to your insurance benefits and claims.
bloodyspartan said:
A man after my own heart.
ALL OATH BREAKERS DESERVE NEITHER LIFE NOR FREEDOM.
A GREATER CRIME DOES NOT EXIST. ANY THING IS OK TO AN OATH BREAKER!
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dan said:
arrogance breeds contempt…..so for the 100 or so non registered and KNOWN ‘criminals’…of which they will be the test of political will and evil control….the big question that has not been asked…how many politicians will survive this enforcement test…..?….imho
SlingTrebuchet said:
I think that there is a herd of very large elephants in this room.
How about:
1. If someone is attempting to register, but is late, help them to register. If necessary call out to them in a patrol car and knock politely on their door. If they have attempted to register, even if late, they are not a danger.
2. If you go in with a SWAT team or indeed any show of force, this wil be a disciplinary matter. You may be prosecuted for wasting police time and resources.
3. In anyone is injured – even in a minor fashion, that’s a dismissal matter. You absolutely will be prosecuted for whatever happens.
4. If you go in with even minor force, you are the aggressor. You will have provoked any reaction that hurtsd your butt.
Dress that up in simple language that even a cop might understand. Enforce it.
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The message in your post seems to be that weapon registration laws should not be passed because the cops are terminally stupid and are totally out of control.
Chip Bennett said:
Precisely.
There’s also this point:
The government doesn’t need to know exactly whom owns exactly which firearms. That ignorance, by design, acts as an implicit deterrence to government movement toward tyranny.
In case you need a reminder why:
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Chip Bennett:
Senator Feinstein is far from the only Senator and Congressman that holds that sentiment. She was just foolish enough to say it aloud. Others tend to express the same belief with their votes.
SlingTrebuchet said:
Chip,
“The government doesn’t need to know exactly whom owns exactly which firearms. That ignorance, by design, acts as an implicit deterrence to government movement toward tyranny.”
I honestly don’t think that the thought of ‘unknown’ citizens with firearms really deters tyranny
1) Tyranny is already here. The storm has already begun.
2) Cops have turned into heavily armed soldiers – complete with armored vehicles – with the public as the ememy.
Here’s a story:
Cops Have Killed Over 5,000 Americans Since 9/11
http://filmingcops.com/cops-have-killed-over-5000-americans-since-911/
“Though Americans commonly believe law enforcement’s role in society is to protect them and ensure peace and stability within the community, the sad reality is that police departments are often more focused on enforcing laws, making arrests and issuing citations. As a result of this as well as an increase in militarized policing techniques, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist, estimates a Washington’s Blog report based on official statistical data.”
A mere 4486 US military were killed in the whole Iraq adventure.
Meanwhile back home the cops kill over 5000.
There’s a very scary video in embedded in that story. The website has many more.
That isn’t cops being failed by their leaders. That’s cops who see and treat the public as the enemy.
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Getting people to register weapons just saves the tyrants a bit of effort.
They have alterative ways of getting that information.
The NSA has your credit card records for a start. Unless you always use cash to buy guns and ammo, you’re marked by your transactions.
Are you a member of a gun club/association? Do you email/phone the organisers?
Do you send email to anyone mentioning guns?
Do you post/comment in blogs or social media about guns?
Are you less than 4 hops of electronic connection with someone who is vocal about gun rights?
You’re marked. Your entire life going years back years can be examined by machine to see how ‘interesting’ you might be.
Your movements are recorded with even a dumb cell-phone. If you’ve got a smartphone with location services running you’re even easier.
The beauty of pervasive data-gathering is that they don’t have to target you in advance. They simply collect everyone’s data and use automated trawling at their convenience to find people that fit profiles and/or are connected even at secind hand to someone that has caught their attention.
In the Utah facility alone, the NSA have 100,000 square feet of disk drives. That’s basically a number of years of the world’s communications and financial records.
Dear patriot, you are in there.
In theory, it is illegal for your data to be there, but due to intellectual gymnastics, your data is not “collected”. It’s only deemed to be “collected” if someone decides to look at it for some reason.
When they decide get you, they will know where you are minute by minute and who you are with. Everybody leave their cell phones at home please! That *might* help.
They will wait until you are easy pickings and in a place of their choosing from your habitual movements.
People with guns are not a deterrent to any of this.
“Right to bear arms” as a defence against oppressive government is a fantasy.
No amount of firepower will defend you against a pervasive surveillance state that knows your every move and association.
The War on Terror and the War on Drugs have been used to create a police state.
It’s the United States of Fear now. Billions have been spent creating a turn-key tryanny.
In this United States:
– You are not patriots
– You’re not freedom fighters/activists.
– You’re terrorists. You are a danger to the rulers.
Any movement to resist will be profiled and infiltrated before it can pose a serious threat to the rulers.
It’s nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. They are just two colors of the same thing.
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I’m amazed that so many people can make so much noise about guns as “freedom”, but not seem bothered much about a pervasive surveillance state plus ultra-violent cops that completely trumps those guns.
Phelps said:
That’s why they were able to catch Dorner immediately and he didn’t manage to lock California down singlehandedly for a week, right?
(And remember, if he hadn’t intentionally written his manifesto on Facebook, they wouldn’t have had any idea who they were even looking for.)
SlingTrebuchet said:
Phelps,
Wrong :)
They didn’t catch Dorner *in advance* – never mind ‘immediately’ because he acted alone. He didn’t have a trail of communications that would profile him as a potential or actual killer.
The Boston Bombers were the same type of case. They had no communications to others concerning the plot. They could talk face to face as brothers.
It was just the two of them.
If they had simply gone back to their normal lives after they left the bombs, they might have got clean away. Instead they went all silly with hijacking a car and shooting their mouth off.
As a complete contrast to these loners……
If a number of people (in CT, say) started to plan and prepare for action, they would start to leave trails – that would be picked up by analysis of communications.
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Dorner reminds me of unchecked police violence.
Remember the two women delivering newspapers and who got shot up by cops?
Although their truck was the wrong make and color, the cops thought that maybe perhaps they were Dorner and just opened up, riddling their truck with bullets.
Apparently the cops are not to be faulted because they were a little tense and nervous at the time. :)
Phelps said:
Your own writing is based on people forming up in fields. That’s not even third generation warfare, that’s second. The sorts of people they should be worried about are well steeped in 4th generation warfare, and know the COIN techniques that will be employed, because they developed them in prior service.
There’s no need for networking. Everything that a rebel needs to know is right out here in the open. There won’t be massed formations. There will 1-3 person skirmishes, which will attrit the state’s forces much more efficiently than any organized militia.
SlingTrebuchet said:
The ‘forming up in fields’ was in vogue when ‘resisting an oppressive government’ was dreamed up. My writing is not based on that. The bit about dressing up in Revolutionary War uniforms was just by way of humor.
In this age, just being armed and even well-trained is not enough.
What I say is that the ‘oppressive government’ has intimate knowledge about the population. It’s intimate due to the way technology is pervasively integrated into our lives in western countries.
This is not the same in say, Iraq or Afghanistan. In places like that it is far easier for small cells to hide and operate.
In places like that, the US military are a foreign occupying force. They don’t have the support of the wider population.
In the US, people fighting back against their own government will be classed as terrorists. The full weight of technology ( and the NDAA) will be brought to bear.
This has to include use of drones – starting with the speciallised surveillance models and use of the armed models as appropriate. They are really attractive because they avoid the need to put boots on the ground for intelligence-gathering or action. This significantly reduces attrition levels.
Phelps said:
It also doesn’t work. While they are wasting time doing that, amassing tons of data they don’t have the time or ability to analyze, they are still losing legislator and federal agents on the street.
SlingTrebuchet said:
They already have the data. It goes back 10 years or so.
They already have tool sets to gather finer detail and in real time if they wish to.
The analysis is largely done by machine.
Did you ever hear that story….
How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
That’s just an example of profiling for one type of person. It’s a generic process.
The machines know you better than you know yourself.
It’s at the stage where they can predict what you are going to do.
Uxi said:
It’s still relatively easy to defeat, though. Use cash. Everywhere. Take out the same amount of cash on schedule, even if you don’t need it (stash it under the mattress, use it to buy ammunition, weapons components and repair parts, medical supplies and so on and so forth, if you get enough buy gold and silver bullion).
Don’t use social media. If you do, in fact, go through anonymous proxies or the like… even better if you’re cunning enough to run some disinformation now and then to throw off the scent or just to give the algorithm and data sniffers the finger.
Jspurr01 said:
I have my own story about corporate data collection: ~6 months ago, I read an online article about a local resident being denied a permit for a chicken coop in our town. A few times in the last 6 months, we have purchased locally grown eggs (by credit card), including very recently. In this recent week, one of my wife’s Facebook friends posted an update about having trouble with predators at their backyard chicken coop. Three days ago, while perusing furniture on Wayfair.com, an ad for ‘things you may be interested in’ included a chicken coop setup / kit. Neither of us had ever searched for any chicken coop related content anywhere, but between us we may have shared some of the article links and have had only private discussions (not very serious) about having a chicken coop. They have gathered the data, and already know. The corporations are already well past development and are just refining and polishing their techniques for Big Data Analytics at the personal / individual level. The pregnant Target customer example is not a one-off. This type of data Analytics is now mainstream in big business. Don’t believe that the government is incapable of same thing – in fact, it’s not unlikely the techniques were developed by the DoD in conjunction with Universities, which is how it found its way into the commercial sector. I am assuming Uxi is being facetious – – if resistance to tyranny depends on being off the grid, the “war” is already lost, regardless of whichever nth generation of warfare may be the supposed salvation.
SlingTrebuchet has it right – the government du jour and the political parties are merely pawns of the corporations – – that is where the developing tyranny is rooted. It is an engineered illusion that blanket deregulation and so-called self-regulation is in the interest of the people. (this is just discredited trickle-down economic principles repackaged as “don’t ever do anything the job creators don’t like, or they will kill or stop creating jobs” – – an implied type of extortion that shouldn’t sit well with anyone)
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear SlingTrebuchet:
Hi there. It’s not my intention to randomly disparage the police. Actually, my primary message is that it is politicians writing unconstitutional laws that put not only the police, but the public, unnecessarily at odds, even to the point of civil war somewhere down the line. Police officers have to know that they can trust their supervisors and commanders not to put them in unnecessary danger, and not to knowingly put them in the position of violating the rights of the public. They accept orders with this belief, and are sometimes betrayed.
However, some officers willingly violate the rights of citizens, even to the point of political oppression, which is what may well occur in the near future in Connecticut.
Police officers should almost always be given the benefit of the doubt, but if they violate the public’s trust and the social contract, they bring the consequences not only on themselves, but on us all.
DAN III said:
Mr. McDaniel, I regularly disparage the police. In fact I believe there are no good cops. None. They are no longer there to “protect and serve” the public. They never were.
There are no good cops.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Dan III:
Thanks for commenting, but there are indeed good cops. In fact, most are honorable, honest people. I’ll be writing about that issue in a follow up article in the very near future. Hope to see you there.
bloodyspartan said:
I am sorry most are not good cops there may be some but when push comes to shove tell me how many will side with us and throw away their so called pensions.
Here in Suffolk county they just got another raise while the folks are choking to death.
Non civil servants that is.
sootsme said:
The only good cops are the ones who put a stop to the bad cops. Those who go along to get along share fully in the guilt/blame, pension be damned. Damn few good ones, judging by how many get away literally with murder, and how many now infest the upper echelons of their forces throughout our land…
sootsme said:
Mike, I urge you to consider as criteria that “good cops” are the ones who stop “bad cops”… others need not apply.
SinEater said:
it is good that you feel this way.
What position do you hold in the state government of Connecticut?
The people in the government of Connecticut were stupid enough to pass these laws that are obviously and blatantly unconstitutional on the face of it. What on earth makes you think they won’t implement policies that will be just as obviously and blatantly unconstitutional and hazardous to the citizens of Connecticut?
RoyG said:
well an interesting turn of events a cop Conn, cop who was posting on FB on the debate who said the cant wait to start kicking down doors to confiscate your weapons has been suspended.. he was posting a couple of weeks ago on FB in an exchange with Conn citizens and his comments went viral and it got back to somebody who acutally cares… check out the link…
http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/2014/03/gun-grabbing-cop-placed-leave-connecticut-cop-said-hed-love-bang-door-come-gun-placed-leave/
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Roy G:
Thanks for the link. I’ll be addressing this very incident in this continuing series, beginning Saturday, the 15th.
Fabi said:
Thank you for yet another great article, Mike. Segments of the anti-gun left will continue to find ways to chip away at gun rights. I’m pleased that so many citizens of Connecticut have resisted what I consider to be an unconstitutional infringement of the right to bear arms. Here’s hoping for a non-violent reconciliation of this registration drive – although I’m not comforted by many of the reactions from the statists.
Gunner said:
Connecticut disbanded the counties for all practical purposes in the 70’s and the sheriffs departments that are left have no real authority.
Also, in Connecticut, much local law enforcement is as excited as the state police about the law …
Diamondback said:
They’re excited to die?
Bwahahahahhahahahahahha.
They should know many of us out here are excited to accommodate their death wish.
XSmoky said:
Diamondback, comments like yours justify gun control. You make yourself a poster child for the itchy trigger finger. You are NOT helping the 2nd amendment by expressing your desire to kill police officers. Choose your wording better or please keep your bloodthirsty comments to yourself.
Diamondback said:
I hope Lt Vance is one of the first to die.
And, yes, I understand it would take a few patriots “hunting him down” since he’s admitted he’s too cowardly to participate in a raid himself.
Organize your NEIGHBORHOODS folks. If they raid on residence they should get deadly force resistance from the entire NEIGHBORHOOD.
At that point, they’re violating their oaths of fidelity to the US Constitution and ARE ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE.
timashley2013 said:
Diamondback—I have always believed that in a case such as this, you don’t work from the bottom up, you work from the top down. Like in the movie “Saving Private Ryan” Barry Pepper (the sniper) said: “Get me within a mile of Adolph Hitler and it’s pack your bags guys, the war’s over.” An’ thats all I got ta say about that.
george said:
Do you even live in CT you psychopath? If so, I do hope the State Police arrive at your door because you’ve demonstrated already that you shouldn’t be trusted with a firearm.
Or is this the usual tough-guy bluster? Do you have all of your paramilitary Barbie toys lined up in front of you as you type?
Phyllis Tipton said:
I believe he is speaking out of anger and frustration. That happens when you are being threatened with your freedoms. Don’t let this insanity cause us to turn on each other. We need to stand strong together. Calling names and making threats isn’t going to get us anywhere.yes it’s in CT for the moment but the whole country better care!
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Phyllis Tipton:
Thanks and welcome to SMM. Well said.
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Mark said:
April 15, 2014. NY is next !!
Frank said:
I can’t find it on the web anymore, but there was a fictional Nightline episode written concerning the federal confiscation of firearms.
XSmoky said:
I may be just another of those retards talking out his ass on this, but I thought the 2nd amendment’s primary purpose was for civilians to have the ability to overthrow the government should the need arise.
Actions required for dictatorship:
1. Make citizens dependent on government (welfare and obamacare)
2. Control the media (FCC)
3. Disarm civilians (Connecticut)
4. Give citizens a common enemy within their own borders. (???)
The first two seem pretty successful, especially the first seeing as how no one can seem to solidly commit to a resistance force. The American masses have gotten too comfortable in their gradual subjugation. As for disarming citizens, CT is a start. A fairly small, somewhat controlled environment to test the willingness of citizens to comply with being disarmed.
The next step would be to make it a federal law which we would never even know was created and/or passed if the FCC has too much control over what gets broadcast. No one would know that it is a federal crime to own firearms until soldiers start going door to door to collect them.
Now as for defining what the 2nd amendment allows, when those soldiers show up in your neighborhood to start collecting firearms, what are they going to have with them? THAT is what you have the right to bear. The American citizens have the right to bear arms necessary for their own protection from a corrupted government. They bring a tank, hope someone has one in their garage. They bring M16s, everyone bring their AR15s. They bring grenades, someone nearby knows how to make pipe bombs.
Will gun control become an issue so big that this government falls into martial law? I hope not. But the outlook isn’t so good.
RuleofOrder said:
“Give citizens a common enemy within their own borders (????)” —
Republican, Democrat, union thug, lazy government workers, the 1%, commie liberals, gun grabbers, gun nuts, bitter clingers, militant rights groups, illegal aliens, conservatives, ‘thugs’, the small percent of trigger happy cops Mike alludes to, gay and lesbian alliances, activist judges, Marxist/Socialst, welfare queens…
It doesn’t have to be common. It just has to be whom I (acting as The Man) want you to shoot at.
angrywebmaster said:
One of the things you didn’t bring up is what happens after the assaults by SWAT begin?
They will get two or three people and then there will be a response. It could be they they hit a house and that person(s) is ready and waiting for them. The police end up taking serious losses and pulling back.
The person(s) inside are also on the phone to their friends calling for help. You now have the worst nightmare for police. Finding themselves surrounded, cut off and under heavy fire with a group not interested in taking prisoners.
Or you start seeing politicians getting assassinated. What will their response be if five or ten of their pals get killed? Supposed, for the sake of argument, a couple are outright lynched and their bodies are shown swinging from lampposts on YouTube?
A lot of people think we’re primed for an outright civil war. They just thought it would start out west, not in a really blue state. (They also know what a civil war in the United States would mean and want to avoid it if they can)
Dee M Wilson (@dee_m_wilson) said:
I suggest you Google for and read all of Jim Bell’s papers, starting with ‘Assassination Politics’. You will, while Googling, find out what our government did to that guy. Sadly, I think you are correct, and I personally will weep as I shoot.
Dave Ki said:
I got a feeling the way it will start is a SWAT raid getting ready to go in then a SWAT member being sniped by a fed or someone paid(patsy)to give a justification as being fired on.
This will be in public and what better justification?
RuleofOrder said:
Gotta agree with ya. The examples Mike references that the state would make would last… maybe for 1 or 2 houses. After that… either everyone folds like a house of cards (20%) or when the SWAT team rolls up for the next event… hail of bullets from all fields of fire. (80%).
This whole law as a bad idea, ill conceived, and incredibly unconstitutional, such to the fact I am surprised that it hasn’t been challenged on many fronts, and implementation has been delayed until such time as its proven (or odds on, disproven) that it can pass Constitutional muster.
aj lackner said:
It is time that we put government back into check and give them understanding that their positions are not positions of power, but they are positions of submission. We the people call for changes, they are to implement them. It is not a system designed where they design laws recklessly and force them upon us – that is tyranny.
If we have to overthrow our government because they deem it necessary to fire upon their citizens to enforce lawless rule – which is ironic because it’s all over a law they decided to be ludicrous with – then so be it. Many Americans, including myself, will gladly give their life in the defense of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
I am but 21 years old and I know I am very naive in life, and in no way am I saying that I HOPE the nation will descend into chaos, but I am saying that tyranny does not scare me, but instead, challenges me – and many others – to do the right thing and I do not run from a challenge.
jen said:
the govt cannot just take away a constitutional law like the right to bear arms and i for one am shocked that its being done in some states.. i ran across this shirt that shows our support for the brave citizens in Ct. It says HOLD THE LINE>>thats how i feel..their defiance is the front line of this war. http://www.teespring.com/holdtheline
timashley2013 said:
Another thing these tyrants need to consider is that many of those who’s guns they will be trying to confiscate have not only military training (far superior to any SWAT training) but also years of combat experience. Some will even be former special forces. They REALLY need to take a look at this situation and ask themselves “Do we really wanna do this?” “When the time comes, we will burn them to ashes, and then we will burn the ashes.”
SlingTrebuchet said:
If matters should escalate…
…. check out the NDAA
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/
If things got really nasty…..
You won’t see anyone that you can use your years of combat experience against.
You’ll just hear a buzzing noise high in the sky.
….Good luck with dodging drones.
Your ass will be ashes.
War is different now.
timashley2013 said:
Well then, we better lay down right now don’t you think?
Phelps said:
Good thing that those drone drivers don’t have to eat, drink, or ever interact with civilized society, huh?
SlingTrebuchet said:
You’re right Phelps.
Drone drivers are not like cops or soldiers who go after whoever they are told are the enemy.
The SWAT team that Mike mentioned in the OP are cleary some sort of quazi-human creatures that are kept in a cage when not engaged in SWATting. The never interact with civized society unless they are killing members of it.
Ditto for their superiors who found nothing particularly wrong with their actions.
Drone drivers are special people with wisdom and insight – who will disobey orders if they have any issues with them.
On the other hand, you could probably train TSA agents to pilot drones. There’s not great flying skills involved. The perform nice easy flights.
Zapping some people that they are told are terroristic would make a change from groping autistic children in airports. ( aka interacting with civilized society )
SlingTrebuchet said:
timashley2013,
I think getting on the phone to your Congress and Senate critters about the surveillance state would be a good move.
Otherwise, yeah, just lay down :)
Penny Pincher said:
People in the sandbox who fear assassination by drones sometimes sleep somewhere else than their homes, lest their home be droned with them in it. Like in a spider hole or whatever. If it gets to that, stop using your cell phone, the minute you turn it on the drone will find you.
Dave Ki said:
Guess we should keep spread out then huh?
BT said:
Drones were taken down and crashed with $10 software by University of Texas Students.
Grow a pair or buy more Vagisil.
SlingTrebuchet said:
BT,
A team at Texas built a GPS spoofing device for a cost of about $1000.
They demonstated this to the DHS
– Used their own miniature drone (one of those toy helicopters – with their own kit added)
– Spoofed civilian GPS signals from a short range
– Caused the drone to move off course
The object of the exercise was to further debate on the issues that would be related to widespread commercial use of civilian drones in US airspace.
Via chinese whispers and sloppy media, this got to be reported as the students taking down a Predator or some military drone for $10.
There is civilian GPS and quite separately there is military GPS. Military GPS is secured precisely so that it can not be interfered with – and can not be used for navigation by enemy when civilian GPS is disabled.
Military GPS aside, there are Unmanned Arial Vehicles (drones) that mostly fly on auto and there are drones that are piloted remotely by people who see the ground below.
Meanwhile over in the ME, Yemen, Pakistan, etc. drones are falling like rain from the skies. The entire military and CIA programs are in shreds. They are running out of drones fast. Ammirite?
Phelps said:
The M-code transmissions are proposed, not operation. The satellites that are capable of transmitting it haven’t even been launched. I honestly expect ihe encryption on it to be broken and published within a few months of it being turned on anywhere but the third world, because it will be transmitting known data — time and almanac tables. (It will be broken if it is on more than a few months in the third world too, but it will be by Russian and Chinese intelligence, and won’t be published.)
In any event, it can’t be spoofed, but it can be easily jammed. These are still satellite signals. The receiver isn’t a high-gain antenna like your satellite TV receiver, and even that can be overwhelmed by rain. Sat signals are extremely low power, and pretty much any terrestrial source inside line of sight on the frequency will overwhelm it.
Seriously, you are slipping into flat-out government agent disinformation mode. The US military isn’t omnipotent — hell, in most areas, they are barely competent.They can’t magic up intuitive analysis from computers, they can’t hire enough people to filter the massive amounts of info they are collecting without also hiring infiltrators like Snowden, they can’t rewrite the laws of physics to make their satellite signals from a battery powered transmitter 15,000 miles away stronger than a signal 200 feet away, and they can’t escape the realities they face of simple logistics, attrition, and desertion.
SlingTrebuchet said:
Darn it Phelps!
You’ve blown the whole military-industrial game.
Yup. You’re right.
There are no drones flying over the ME, Pak and places near. There is no drone surveillance or striking going on anywhere.
There were a small number years ago. Inititally the people being droned refrained from interfering with GPS as they were unwilling to interfere with ‘legitimate’ GPS.
“Hey” they said to each other – “If we zap GPS for those things, we’ll also be zapping GPS for everybody miles around. What’s gonna happen to our holiday trips if commercial flights go missing? How we gonna find our own way around our own territory without GPS?
In the end, they were getting so much grief from drones that they said “Ah the Hell with it. We’ll just screw their GPS.” From that day onwards, drones became useless. In fact, the military and CIA stopped trying to use them.
They had to keep buying them of course. Corporations that owned Congressmen had contracts to make them. So now they just stockpile them. Huge warehouses full of drones.
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You miss the point about the massive data collection.
There are two main ways of using the data.
1) Have compuers trawl through all of it looking for something that might possibly fit a profile. Maybe get so many possible hits that it’s not possible for the humans available to check it.
This link describes some mischief making to flood the filters, but no doubt people originate text containg ‘the’ keywords quite innocently. http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/vice-creates-spam-generator-befuddle-nsa
It probably doen’t have an impact. Text storage is really cheap. A hit doesn’t depend on the machines finding a single item. There would have to to be a pattern – connections with other hits – a good profile.
On the other hand, Target’s computer systems seemed to be able to identify women who were pregnant just by looking at what they were buying.
2) Start with something known and find all the connections.
Start with you say.
Just on this blog, there’s an IP you came from and a link to your blog. There’s an email associated with that blog. There’s an IP or IPs that have been creating OPs on it. There’s streams of email, web activity, etc tied to the IP(s). They will lead to you.
Start with any person/phone number/email/credit_card/whatever_ID
Start with everyone in a small geographical area. That’s way more manageable than a few hundred million.
Once they have you they have life history for you and anyone/thing that you’ve been communicating with for years back.
That sort of exercise does not take major human resources.
Sure there’s massive incompetence, waste and corruption in the military-industrial empire, but they do have some stuff that can work.
Phelps said:
And while they are doing all that, someone who doesn’t have a blog and never comments blows up the ABC studio in NYC.
SlingTrebuchet said:
Yup.
Ditto for Dorner and the Boston Bombers.
If there are not part of some organised movement and act alone – or avoid electronic communication – only oldfashined police work has a chance of picking them up beforehand.
However, in this blog page we are discussing resistance in CT and maybe other states.
Who’s making noises? Who’s visiting their Facebook/Blogs/Websites? Who are they in communication with. What are their movements? etc. That’s all in the databases.
It’s easy to find, by starting with individuals and going a hop or two out.
everlastingphelps said:
And this blog gets thousands of hits. Moving just one or two hops will put them into tens of thousands of connections, if not hundreds of thousands.
That sort of round up is exactly what will turn into dozens or hundreds of Dorners.
SlingTrebuchet said:
A hit by an IP or IP + Identifiable person on this blog is not interesting in itself.
It only becomes interesting when the overall activity of that identifier is reviewed.
The process is not actually starting to hop out from thousands of hits on this blog. It starts with a much smaller number of entities that match patterns of activity that are thought worth examining for other activities.
No human is doing that. It’s done by machine. The need for a human review only comes in when the machines flag a probable target.
Phelps said:
I’m well aware of how it works. I work with latent semantic analysis systems for a living. What I’m trying to tell you is at the end of the day, without skilled analysts with time to filter through the massive amounts of data (and with mechanical analysis, you can’t tune the system finely enough to get the small number of true positives in this data set without thousands of false positives) the data is useless. In fact, if you had been reading the Snowden documents, you would see that the NSA is saying the exact same thing internally. They have lots of data, but they don’t have the people to follow up on the massive number of flags the system is throwing.
False positives are their worst enemy. If they act on it, and raid a house for someone who doesn’t have any ill intent, they are taking a huge risk. If they did that to dozens or hundreds, then the risk would accumulate to the point that they are creating more rebels than they are stopping (which is the whole theory behind using terrorism to induce a disproportionate response from the state.)
SlingTrebuchet said:
It’s pretty obvious that the scope of the NSA&co data collection is not down to an immediate need to have that data.
It’s seems to be a case of “because we can”.
They have a bunch of nihilistic geeks who delight in breaking into things without the fear of being punished by “the man”. The kids are let loose in the candy shop.
Trawling the mass of information is indeed a problem – BUT that’s not what we are talking about here.
If CT is the lab rat for some Fed move to control guns, and the experiment indicates that serious (armed) resistance might result then the CT subset of that data is going to get attention.
This is completely different to trawling the world’s communications for ‘something’.
We’re looking at just CT.
CT Census summary: (backed up by fine detail)
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/09000.html
You’re not looking at all 3.5 Million people.
Take just males from 18 t0 60 for example. Link any of them to gun-interest associations. Generate other suitable profiles.
Look for links to them searching on the topic or posting.
Look for veterans as an additional part of profiling.
Generate network diagrams for the communications activity of the selected people.
You’ll quicky find the movers and shakers.
Go in-depth on those with a human review.
Don’t raid houses.
Pick up the interesting people when they are out and exposed. You will have a record of their habitual movements.
That’s why mass collection of data is interesting. There might be to much data to search for possible needles in a huge haystack. However, if you’re interested in specific individuals or a relatively small geographical area, it’s a goldmine.
You don’t have to initiate data collection on teh entities of interest. You’ve already got it going back for years.
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Again, this is a *totally* different proposition to that of trawling the entire data collection looking for profiles
Firehand said:
I have to note, the day they start using drone strikes in domestic police work to kill people, you’ll see all kinds of hell break out nationwide.
timashley2013 said:
If the govt ever starts iindescriminately slaughtering American citizens on American soil with drones, “hell to pay” will be the most profound understatement of human history. The gloves are off and as Bush said “If you’re not with us you’re against us”
molonlabe said:
what are you ppl smoking they already HAVE USED DRONES several times they are flying now in many areas there is no such thing as a good policy enforcer all ALL are traitors no longer your countrymen they work for are employees of a crown corporatation non of these company policies NOT LAWS appl to the ppl or on this land only in the legal fiction world of corporations and inside ten square miles known as the district of c__________ washington d.b. u.s. inc. federal employees only not you and i they all need stopped from sucking simple minds into the scam
Johnny Gay Shepherd Christensen said:
Are we ready for another Revolutionary War ? That is what they are aiming and pushing for ! Americans will not live under a dictatorship , we are nnot built that way ! This is our country and we need to take it back !
timashley2013 said:
Sling Trebuchet
I have petitioned my Senators and Reps on quite a few occaisions and with the exception of one (who happens to be up for re election))) they are all with us. In fact they have passed some really pro 2nd amendment legislation last year.
SlingTrebuchet said:
timashley2013,
My point about directly contacting your elected reps was to do with the surveillance state – not the 2nd Amendment. Although ….. direct contact about anything by a lot of people is always good. Politicians want to feel loved. If the pushback is on their phone/email rather than just something they read about in the media, they tend to notice.
There are three reasons to bear arms
1) Just because. It’s like a hobby or sport
2) Self-defence against an actual risk
3) Resisting an oppressive government
(3) is fantasy in the modern mass-surveilled age.
Back in the day, the founders envisaged citizen militias lining up against the military of the oppressors.
This would have been on fairly equal terms. The military might generally have some heavier weapons (like cannon or Gatling-type), but the militias would have knowledge of the ground – it would be their ground.
In the present age, every inch of that ground can be surveilled 24/365. Everyone on that ground is currently being tracked into databases if they use any electronic communications. All their non-cash transactions are recorded. Cameras all over are recording license plates and faces. Citizens are like ants waiting for someone to look them over.
With that level of information, the indiviuals that can be determined to present the greatest threat by virtue of skills at organising and/or fighting can be picked off one by one. With that level of information, individual can be selected to be turned into informants. This is standard FBI procedure – use of compromised individuals to infiltrate and entrap others into acts that allow the Feds to pounce.
Before things would get physical, the NSA have structured projects to destroy businesses and discredit individuals. They have all the information. They have the intrusion tech to plant and/or edit information.
If things look like getting really nasty, and the Feds step in, it won’t be SWAT teams coming into your (defended?) neighborhood. It will be engineered traffic stops. Off you go to indefinite military detention under the terms of the NDAA.
If it did get physical, any militias crazy enough to line up in formations with the intent of joining battle can be zapped from a great distance away in the air. My advice to individuals like that would be to dress up in Revolutionary War uniforms. At least they would have a bit of fun before they got zapped.
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Dave Ki , above wrote:
“Guess we should keep spread out then huh?”
There’s your problem.
It’s not as if some sort of war would get declared on a given date. Spread out now and stay spread out from family and work for the rest of your natural. :)
If you spread out anyway, how do you communicate?
You could use pigeons.
You could build your own electronic communications infrastructure, but that would quickly be broken into.
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The War On Terror/Drugs has been used to build a police surveillance state.
Corporations are making billions out of the security/intelligence infrastructure. They are not going to give up those profits without a savage fight.
If you start to activate against surveillance, you will have “aiding terrorists” and “endangering the USA” thrown at you. This would be despite that in all the years of survillance, the only “terroristic” act that was stopped via mass-survillance was a taxi-driver in San Francisco trying to send some money to Yemen.
Face it. If you have no idea how to send money to an individual in Yemen, and start making inquiries, you’re going to get noticed.
As per the link I gave above, your chances of being killed by a cop are 8 times more than your chances of being killed by a terrorist.
If you do something serious about organising the next Revolution, your chances of being killed by a cop increase exponentially. This is because you will be a terrorist.
Everybody posting in this thread and others like it most likely have little flags in their database records. Don’t worry. Be happy.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.
1984 (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
Phelps said:
3) is a terrible reason, as proven by our shining success in Afghanistan, right?
Jspurr01 said:
I often see these overseas examples of grass roots resistance used to support #3) reasoning. The flaw in that is, believe it or not, our government’s overseas military operations are restrained to minimize geo-political fallout, and avoid negative impact on the local citizenry. In all of these Semi-apocalyptic-revolution-inciting scenarios on US soil, there would be no need for the supposed tyrannical government to hold back. The rules would be vastly different than when we tip toe through places like Afghanistan.
Unapologetic American said:
Commieticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance has a son, J. Paul Vance Jr. he’s a Commissioner at State of Connecticut Claims Commission. Here’s his FB page, (https://www.facebook.com/jpaul.vance?fref=browse_search) check out his list of “likes”, Obama, Sandy Hook shills, Leftist causes and Democrats, like Al Franken.
Ed said:
Shows he is a fan of TeeSpring shirts. Wonder what his thoughts are on the one telling CT. to hold the line………..He might get pissed off enough to UNFRIEND them!!!!
Phelps said:
First, I hope that the police are thinking about their pensions — because refusing the order might mean you don’t collect your pension, but being shot to death guarantees it.
Second, you are right about the divide between local police and state police — but the only way the local police can separate themselves in the minds of the People from the state police thugs is to arrest and charge the murders who go on these raids (and since the raids themselves are illegal, it is indeed murder.) It doesn’t matter if the courts later give them some sort of sovereign immunity — by making the arrests and leveling the charges, the local police make it clear which side they are on. There are plenty of lawful things that the local police could do to protect the People as well, like “escorting” the state police with lights and sirens the entire time they are in the jurisdiction, and alerting neighboring jurisdictions when they cross borders so they can continue the escort. People should be warned when a hazard like that is transiting their neighborhood.
Finally, amateurs talk tactics, and professionals talk logistics. There are less than 1300 state police in connecticut. Let’s be generous and give them 50% of those as being actual on-the-street and capable officers for these raids. (In a modern paralegal organization, that’s a generous tooth to tail ratio, on par with what infantry divisions could do in WW2.) That leaves you 700 shooters. Put them in 12 man teams, and you have about 60 teams. Say they average a raid per team per day. (For full scale confiscation, that would be a low number. For a slow boil, it would be high.) This is assuming that tons of front line troopers are being put on raid duty.
There are at least 200,000 defiers on the other side. Let’s go with the historic 3% number for the amount of them that fight back. That means that they will average someone shooting back at them every 33 raids. (First of all, that is an astronomically higher percentage of resistance than the raids they are accustomed to going on. That in itself will be shocking, and will push these numbers higher.) That means that roughly two teams will be shot back at daily.
Let’s give the cops the benefit, and say that they are really good at this (which is unlikely, given that the homeowner has significant advantages in knowing the house inside and out, and likely, since he is a defier and willing to resist, he is likely to be very conversant with firearms, a combat veteran of wars recent or long past, and as practiced — or more — as the cops.) Let’s say that they only get a cop 10% of the time.
The state police will lose a trooper at least once a week.
An force reaches its combat ineffectiveness at around 10% losses. At that rate, they would be decimated and combat ineffective in around a year. They’re not likely to get there, though, because as the losses mount, the “I’m in it for the pension” crowd will start finding other jobs. Remember, it’s not desertion to quit the police like it is the Army. If two cops a week quit because of the losses, it’s over in 4 months. This also assumes that the people of CT are living in the 19th century, and not a single one of them knows about 4th generation warfare, and starts targeting reporters, legislators, state police wives, or state police materiel.
Connecticut is a powder keg. and the entirety of the State Police are running around it with lit cigarettes.
DAN III said:
Mr. Phelps, should your scenario come to fruition I believe soetoro-obama will send fedgov thugs to “assist” Connecticut thugs. Fedgov intervention will happen long before Connecticut badged thugs become combat ineffective.
On the other hand there will be Connecticut Patriots from surrounding states who will come to aid their brothers in Connecticut. But THEN the badged thugs from neighboring states will establish roadblocks. They will do so to prevent others from coming to the aid of Connecticut Patriots. In turn, the resistance will expand their efforts. They will start engaging the badged, stategov thugs of these neighboring states.
Folks, there is more to this than just Connecticut. Connecticut is but the tip of the iceberg. This could become a regional circumstance. If so, Andrew Cuomo’s days will be numbered. Along with many other Marxist politicians.
Life in these former United States of America is over. It is what soetoro-obama said he was going to do. The Marxists in Connecticut have done what soetoro-obama told them to do. I.E., go after guns via the state level. This gun-grab shit in Connecticut, NY state, Colorado and other states is fedgov driven. Don’t think otherwise.
Start PTing. Do more PT. Get to the range as often as possible. Verify your zero. Make peace with your God.
Time is short.
Jspurr01 said:
Do you know what Marxism is?
Christine Carroll said:
This gives me the willies also and I live in Connecticut and am a gun owner!
Unapologetic American said:
Commieticut residents: If you can snatch a few of the offenders (troopers/state employees/Democrat politicians) during a raid on a homeowner you can put them “on trial”. Let like-minded citizens who sympathize with our cause decide their fate for violating the Constitution & Bill of Rights.
johngalt said:
Reblogged this on YouViewed/Editorial and commented:
READ EVERY WORD … INCLUDING THE COMMENTS ! ! !
Seth said:
I think it would be nice, and interesting, for concerned citizens of Connecticut to file (late, unfortunately) paperwork on behalf of their favorite state legislators, as well as some judges.
pippakin said:
Reblogged this on Pippakin Eyes America .
DaveP. said:
Day by Day has printed a list of the Connecticut legislators who voted for this fiasco, along with their home addresses and a link to pages with their photos.
Good on him, I say.
Too many elected officials feel that they can support any cause they please, because their hands will remain clean.
Dee M Wilson (@dee_m_wilson) said:
At the bottom of the frame there is a link to the entire list in plain text. Link is, http://www.thedailysheeple.com and http://www.cbia.com. The cartoon is at http://goo.gl/UnO9jb
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Orion said:
K folks, take a step back, take a deeeeep breath and relax for a bit.
A little early to start plottin’ a sequel to 1776, isn’t it? ***ASSUMING*** that the folks in CT are crazed power-mad dictator-wanna-bes’ they’re not going to be stupid about it. Boston was a nice trial run and look how meekly those folks went along with being dragged out of their houses while PD and NG were in AFVs on street corners. No fuss, no muss, no crazies running around shooting at people. Just a nice, quiet, compliant population, well accustomed to listening to and following orders.
So have a smoke and a joke and calm down. CT is not Aleppo and isn’t going to be. The folks in power are playing the long game.
Orion
RuleofOrder said:
I think the stated enemy of that ‘trial run’ might have had a hand in the compliance. Changing the scope of the enemy to being literally your next door neighbor, whom didn’t detonate an explosive at a marathon might give one reason to aid said neighbor. Especially over such an.. um….’bizarre’ law.
Bob said:
All this gun banning surge, comes on the heels of Sandyhook, and the Colorado theater shootings. Does ANYONE watch youtube videos documenting the obvious false-flag operations in play here? Can anyone tell me the names of the Sandyhook kids who sang at the Superbowl? Their names are NOT published, why? This is the biggest event in ANY kids life, and its NOT noted for posterity in the news and print media? Am I the only questioner of pictures and videos here?
Web search “Wolfgang Halbig” about his investigation of Sandyhook and get back to me, I DARE you.
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Richard Cole said:
What I’m not understanding is why didn’t these folks have a recall vote of the elected officials that voted this unconstitutional law. That’s what happened in Colorado recently if you keep up with the right to bear arms issues. They got rid of 2 in one shot in a recall vote. Several years ago, California recalled a governor. How do you think Arnold got in there. We still have the recall vote. Use it to throw these “BUMS” out on their asses!
RuleofOrder said:
Time and money, mostly. Indulgence of the masses to finish it up.
mantei said:
they don’t have recall ability in CT for statewide offices. only 5 municipalities can do it for their local officials.
fieldmcc said:
google malloy + dmort V + hseep + crisis actors + vision box
malloy is CT Gov, but to understand google each of the other 4 terms
The Truth About Guns (@guntruth) said:
I’d like to republish this at http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com. Please ping guntruth@me.com ASAP.
Mike McDaniel said:
Truth About Guns:
By all means, go ahead so long as you observe proper and usual attribution.
Aaron Dana Pendlesteiger said:
looks like all I need to do is aim for the face the knees and the arms
that corroded artery looks pretty ripe for the taking
no body shots people those are useless….use your sharp shooters
Phelps said:
With rifles and shotguns, go for the pelvic girdle. Those are powerful enough to break the pelvis, at which point standing is impossible, There’s also lots of blood vessels running through there, which shotguns are good at getting to. With a handgun, you are pretty much down to face shots on these guys. (Pelvic girdle also has the added psychological shock advantage of “that guy just shot Smith in the [genitals]!!!”
Pelvic girdle is almost always a good defensive move for rifles and shotguns. When the guy is on the ground, you can safely retreat, and with a broken pelvis, he’s staying on the ground. If the shot is high, you are still hitting organs, and if it is low you are seriously disrupting the quads and maybe breaking femurs, which also keeps them down.
KC said:
Remember the chilling and revelant words of Solzhenitsyn in his warnings to the West.
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
Well, America, or should i say, Amerika, it is now our time to face what many millions of others, like Solzhenitsyn, endured. And most were not as fortunate as he was.
john hildinger said:
CT…WE WILL COME…HOLD YOUR GROUND
Seth said:
Once you’re shooting, you haven’t necessarily lost but it means you’re out of better options.
What would CT do if it had a few tens of thousands of late forms for all sorts of people, especially legislators, police officers, judges, DAs, etc.? Once they realize that most of the forms they got are bogus, what could they do? Attack themselves and random other people? Discard the forms, or at least not act on them? Or just phone people and ask them, and have to accept their answers?
Brett Wheeler said:
That was the dumbest piece of extremist 2nd amendment crap that I have ever read…. I love my guns… That being said, who’s cause do you think you are fighting for when you publish such an absurdly constructed article? I’m all for my right to carry, but I could never back such a blatantly fictional scenario… Your guns are safe, people….
Seth said:
Are you, personally, guaranteeing that? Backing up your guarantee with what? Are you willing to reimburse any confiscations? Or are you just shooting off your mouth because electrons are free?
DaveP. said:
Can I hold you personally responsible if you’re wrong?
J-Dawg said:
What makes me nervous is that the DHS thugs will also respond and assist the State Police and other LEAs. There will be lots of SWAT teams of all types swarming these folks. Most poorly trained, but capable of flash-banging households and neutralizing everyone.
Jake said:
Are all American patriots ready for this battle? When Connecticut starts this, it will be ground zero for the 2nd American revolution. Are thousands of people going to go to Connecticut to fight or are we merely going to watch on tv what is happening. We need to go to Connecticut and protect our brothers and sisters.
RuleofOrder said:
Last on the chain, for point of note, some folks will identify me on this blog as not worth the time, liberal, progressive, blah blah, whatever.
I don’t have a problem with calling this as BS. I would much rather have preferred diplomatic and peaceable solutions to the situation, including stall tactics in court, petitions, you name it, but as it stands without both grass roots and lobbied opposition, this is setting up a LOT of bad scenarios that don’t need to be started.
There was no reason or justification for this kind of legislative action, more over, those that attempted compliance, assuming the governing body was interested, should have stamped those late comers as compliant, and let this die a quiet death it was deserving of.
Syrin said:
Just be sure TO STAY IN YOUR F’ING STATE. You northern Massholes leave the shiite hole you VOTED for without understanding cause and effect, then move to a good red state and turn it blue because you keep voting for the Nazis who ruined your own state. If it were up to me, I’d wall you f;ing liberal morons into your own shiite hole until you eitehr died or fixed the problem.
Phyllis Tipton said:
Looks like the South will have to rise again and this time start in the North. Hell will come to Connecticut and governor will be hung from the highest tree. This time it will not be brother against brother.. we will all have to stand up against “BIG BROTHER”. This time the people will win.
flyingtigercomics said:
Reblogged this on Flying Tiger Comics and commented:
It couldn’t happen here.
Taylor said:
The time for backing down is through. Stand or die. They are coming and they will not stop. MOLON LABE
Phyllis Tipton said:
MOLON LABE
Backwoods Engineer said:
Great blog. Linked back at The Backwoods Engineer, with commentary. We are in perilous times, people. Times that try men’s souls.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Backwoods Engineer:
You’re very kind. Welcome to SMM.
Kafir said:
Prepare for the tyrants war against citizens…shot for the head like any other zombie…
jordan2222 said:
It’s easy to say what we would do but quite another to actually do what we believe is the right thing.
I wonder how many people would shoot any LE officers if they entered your home in the middle of the night, even if they did so illegally? The outcome for any of these situations would never be a good.
I have never read of a case in which a homeowner came out of such a situation unscathed. Any sort of resistance will most likely get you killed or maimed for life.
I have played this out in my mind many times and I always wound up dead.. all in vain because the truth would never be heard.
What a great article again, Mike. For sure it will provoke a lot of thinking and making a plan in the event this were to happen but realistically what plan could you make?
RuleofOrder said:
A war is not won by who is right, but who is left.
The number of people they would have to confiscate guns from FAR exceeds the numbers of those to take them. I think after the second or third stand off/officer shooting/home owner killed, the inherent flaws of this poor circumstance are revealed.
jordan2222 said:
I do not seriously think this will escalate into massive take overs of our weapons, even though it is possible I just want to be safe/
You recently found out that YOU are going to be one of the first three standoffs, what is YOUR plan?
unifiedserenity said:
Reblogged this on unifiedserenity and commented:
Wake up people. Not just in America, but worldwide, the SWHTF very soon!
Doug said:
This rings with similarities of Marx, a requirement for the dialectic from capitalism to advanced communism requires a violent revolution. The big screw up for Marx was failing to define the Dictatorship of the proletariat (the transition from capitalism to advanced communism) therefore the dictator feels it is his responsibility to enact the advanced communism with no cost to the citizens being to high, in other words following the footsteps of Stalin rather than the proletariat initiating the violent revolution against the bourgeoisie.
Joe said:
You need to stop re-reading your copy of Enemies: foreign and domestic. I love the 2nd amendment , but government swat teams coming to get your guns and killing everyone. Talk like that is what scares normal Americans into anti-gun.
Eileen Kuch said:
The talk you mention, Joe, will scare only the sheeple, not freedom-loving citizens.
“Those who would give up Liberty for a modicum of Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” ~ Benjamin Franklin
Craig Hearn said:
How apropos! An actual former KGB agent illegally invades a sovreign nation while a seemingly wannabe KGB agent seems willing to invade “sovereign” homes, both based on a demented political ideology.
The very minute the first physical attempt by Connecticut law enforcement and/or federal law enforcement to confiscate the firearms outlawed by this unconstitutional law is initiated, members of law enforcement and the military from around the country that understand what such action actually means that can should descend on Connecticut to defend the innocent and arrest the governor and members of the state congress that voted Yes on this bill and hold them for Treason against the United States.
Phyllis Tipton said:
Absolutely
MaddMedic said:
Reblogged this on Freedom Is Just Another Word… and commented:
Thought provoking…
Cde3mobile said:
Unfortunately the Elites in government will force the issue because they know what’s best for us. There will be bloodshed of many lives unnecessarily. I think it may be the defining moment in the path of this country. Will we stand together for freedom as Americans, or will we let the Elites dictate to us what rights are inalienable or not. I say bravo to the 80-100,000 gun owners who have said “We will Not Comply!”
I hope it doesn’t come to civil war but if it does I have a good idea of who wins.
cjpilot said:
The Word of the Day is “NULLIFICATION.” If you get on a jury for anyone charged for not registering–VOTE TO ACQUIT!!! The people are the final arbiters of justice.
Michael said:
Mike, I reposted your story and was interested in your reaction to a couple of comments I received.
In preface let me say that while I agree that the beginning story is fictional and dramatic, I want to know if in YOUR experience you believe them to be an accurate portrayal of what happens in raids today.
The comment that sparked me to write here is this:
“See, for me, the problem is how the author chooses to paint the situation. As Zack pointed out, the intro is so over-the-top that all of the following information starts to sound like the feverish rants of a conspiracy theorist. If the reader feels that the writer is unreliable, they may choose to ignore or downplay the rest of the message, even if the message is true or pertinent.
I am an intelligent and educated member of society; convince me of your point with facts and proof, not horror stories intended to induce knee-jerk reactions.”
Your thoughts on this Mike? Thanks.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Michael:
The more one knows about police work, and particularly SWAT, the more one realizes that the scenario I wrote is not, in fact, “over-the-top.” I will be posting an update to the article within two days that explains why it is a realistic portrayal. In the meantime, I suggest readers take this link to the first article in the Jose Guerena case. It illustrates just how badly SWAT operations can go wrong and what the police will do to cover their mistakes. The Guerena archive explains the entire story to date, and it’s far from over. In that case, it’s a miracle the cops didn’t shoot themselves, as well as Guerena’s son and wife. Read that archive and tell me my little bit of fiction is off the mark.
It is not, by far, the only proof. I’d also recommend Radley Balko’s book The Rise of the Warrior Cop, for this topic.
Thanks for your questions, and please let me know what you think after the follow up article.
David Turco said:
Connecticut like Rhode Island is finished. Unfortunately the rest of the nation is unaware that these 2 tiny blue states are the beginning of a nasty little experiment being conducted by the elites. Note to the USA, this is coming your way, and soon!
The only error in this article is that the guy who gets blown away by the cops wouldn’t hear any gunfire as the bullets travel faster than sound so he really would never hear the sound of fire. It makes for good movie sound effects but the victim never hears the fire.
Lone Wolf said:
Affirmative. Been Shot at, the Report was a full second or so after the bullet impacted beside me.
Prayers from Canada. If this Boils Over, It will go Guerilla, with little hope for establishing calm.
RoyG said:
altho the scenario depicted in the write up at the front of the story with swat kicking in the door is pretty much right on the mark as it will go down like that initially.. after a few of those shoot outs or massacres of families the patriots eventually will prepare for their inevitable knock on the door.. one thing iv found out is that police as a lot of my friends are, are really just people like you and me.. the one thing we all have in common is we bleed. eventually the blood and bodies of patriots will lye side by side with the blood and bodies of the police… nothing ever has been resolved via the end of a gun.. eventually the police will have to decide if the price paid is worth enforcing an illegal law especially when the majority of sheriffs will more than likely not be enforcing it and the possability for court actions.. think about it 500K + houses and maybe 3K swat officers..
this is turning into a pissing contest the will of the tyrants to enforce THEIR law paid for with blood, non of which will be any of theirs… Also if the Governor is stupid enough to ask for federal help and they show up it will start an even bigger mess as it will only reinforce the attitude that this administration is trying to illegally disarm this country..
the arrogant politicans of conn, will have blood on their hands.. period….
Harold Smith said:
This gun-control madness is all being orchestrated from the top. Basically, you can’t run the world from a “constitutional republic”, thus we no longer have one.
Our rulers are bloodthirsty, criminally insane madmen who planned and carried out the attacks of 9/11/2001. They did this for one reason: to overthrow the rule of law.
They subverted our political process a long time ago, but what good is running the “U.S. government” if checks and balances obstruct your plans for the illegal, immoral and self-destructive use of power?
So they did 9/11, and as a result, they’ve consolidated power in the executive branch, erected a domestic police state, and begun using U.S. military, economic and political power to beat the independent world into submission.
And that’s where we are today.
Since evil is insatiable, however, it always destroys everything around it, ultimately including itself. Thus the agenda for complete world domination and control will probably end in a nuclear WW3. And it may not be too far away.
John Bruce Campbell said:
Gun control is treason. Treason gets the death penalty.
http://www.jbcampbellextremismonline.com/5/post/2013/02/gun-control-is-treason.html
bloodyspartan said:
Correct, But The reason I know is that they are OATH BREAKERS!
Oath Breakers deserve Neither LIFE nor FREEDOM!!!
That is what they are we confuse the Issue calling them Statists, Commies ,DUNG as I do myself.
Whatever the name is it is what they do or not do that makes them a deadly problem….
Hebrew of Yhwh: stranger, sojourner, son said:
The criminals with the license and the badge need far more oversight then they are getting. That is the police and the governers and the rulers.
They have started making laws after their own gain and to help themselves to wealth and power.
The Bible is pretty clear on this issue. If people won’t stop living lawlessly, (Lawless in terms of the Law of God Almighty) then the lawless people will be rulling and makeing lawless laws. They legitimize lawlesslessness.
That is what God told us would happen in the Bible in Ist Samuel Chapter eight (8).
Who is reading the bible now? The Criminals running the country have taken out the Bible from the school system, the court room and every other facet of life because it is a condemnation of the criminality of the country.
Sodomy will never be lawful in the sight of Almighty GOD. GOD will never allow Usury. God will never make lawful murder. GOD will never permit some things yet people in high positions of power are permitting and legistlating sinful behaviors to be legal.
Any one with a licence and badge need to be watched far more carefully because they are licened by the state to kill. Just like a licenced doctor. If a doctor kills your family member with say, chemotherpy, you have no leg to stand on and no capacity to sue for the wrongful death.
When the wick rule the people mourn. When the wicked perish, the righteous rejoice. That is from the Bible. I suggest that people begin understanding what it is that has caused the cabal to get into power.
When Sin is legislated to be an acceptable behavior then sinners will be in power and people, men and women, suffer from their sinful decisions. The Bible says.
There has to be a right and there has to be a wrong.
All things are not good.
(Rom 1:16 [KJV])
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
(Rom 1:17 [KJV])
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(Rom 1:18 [KJV])
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(Rom 1:19 [KJV])
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
(Rom 1:20 [KJV])
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(Rom 1:21 [KJV])
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(Rom 1:22 [KJV])
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(Rom 1:23 [KJV])
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(Rom 1:24 [KJV])
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
(Rom 1:25 [KJV])
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(Rom 1:26 [KJV])
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(Rom 1:27 [KJV])
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(Rom 1:28 [KJV])
And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(Rom 1:29 [KJV])
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(Rom 1:30 [KJV])
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(Rom 1:31 [KJV])
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
(Rom 1:32 [KJV])
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(Isa 10:1 [KJV])
Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness [which] they have prescribed;
(Isa 10:2 [KJV])
To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and [that] they may rob the fatherless!
(Isa 10:3 [KJV])
And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation [which] shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
(Isa 10:4 [KJV])
Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand [is] stretched out still.
P. Toward said:
Besides the Sandy Hook false flag (whatever that was) which was used as a pretext for the unconstitutional gun grab in Connecticut (there are numerous videos online) perhaps you may wish to visit the following website where the author details what appears to be horrendous corruption in the CT State Police.
http://starkravingviking.blogspot.com/
One might guess that some of these same people will be administering the clearly unconstitutional law.
Bobby said:
As far as leftists go, I’m in default mode. I don’t listen to a thing they say.They’re too sick mentally to bother with.
Adam Evenson said:
This is a highly well-written and timely article. I’m impressed. The entire article ought to be considered in light of the “Sandy Hook Massacre” false flag event. Lt. Vance was obviously one of the primary conductors of that play. Did you see how smirkingly imperious the man was in just about every interview? He seemed to want all the citizens to know he was laughing in their faces, harbored no regard for them, and literally was getting away with murder, maybe even, eventually, as it plays out, a holocaust against the citizens of Connecticut. Sandy Hook, one of the most incompetently conducted false flags ever, rivaling even 9-11, had to have been orchestrated by Ct. authorities at the highest levels, for the very purpose of pushing the “gun magazine” legislation of which you write, plus whatever is to follow, and who could know entirely what that could be except government murderers vs. the people of Connecticut? However, as you point out, all policemen and government officials, not just some of them, would do well to be reasonable and rational and not push over that “edge” too many latent, maniacal types of self-enforcers of their constitution rights, as it’s a pretty easy thing to lie in wait and spray anybody that one chooses with a volley of high capacity rounds in a time of great lawlessness, where cops could be the most vulnerable while driving here and there. Cops are not the only ones that can murder, it’s just that the law looks the other way for them. But the dead are still dead, irrespective what kind of badge they may or may not be wearing, and irrespective whether the culprit is arrested.
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The People's Voice~~~~!!!! said:
Just remember gang just like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, where, once they took away the guns of the people, that created situations like the Holocaust, the purges of Russia & China, and the Killing Fields. Hold on to your guns and stay out of the FEMA camps~~~!!!!
The People's Voice~~~~!!!! said:
No debate concerning what the US Gov would like to do but when you’ve had family that has gone through each of those situations, who were there live & in person, that’s tough to argue with. Believe as you so choose~~~no argument there, but hold on to your weapons so you can at least fight back. Also: as far as history goes whether it be Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or whomever, the information that is coming out more recently is that they’re all linked together though they might not look that way. Things that may be far fetched it would be a good idea to not just settle for just one answer to be done with the subject, because information changes all the time.
disturbeddeputy said:
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Molon labe
time said:
We need to hush up about this. Let them attempt to do door to door, let them start harassing people at home. Yes, good people will die! But, as I see it, this is the only way to save this country. How? Once they start the confiscations &/or door to door invasions. The people who believe in the constitution will come out in droves. Then, one of two things will happen, both with the same result: (1) An all out revolution will occur, the people will win, & we’ll get our country back. Or, (2) When the govt sees that we mean business, and sees the peoples collective power, they will not only repeal this unconstitutional BS, they will get the message that when the people speak.. It would be in their best interest to listen. And then we can judiciously take back our country, by making politicians understand that we will not take it anymore.
If we keep it in focus and force the issue, and they give in (for now) things will only get worse. These corrrupt, evil people have plans, an agenda. BUT, If we let them think they can do this in CT, but once it starts, show up in full force, it will throw them off their game.
I know it sounds horrible! But I’d give my own life if it would mean my people get their country back!
Only with God said:
The point here is, there will always be someone willing to carryout a command. Saying “they wouldn’t do that” is Ignorant at best. God is our ONLY hope, And until we bring our Country back to the foundation “Under God” it will continue to worsen.
chief661 said:
Mike, you nailed it in this story/commentary as you have in past commentary on the Jose Guerna and Eric Scott case. IMHO, this is not over the top as evidenced by those cases and other daily events where SWAT raids the wrong house, shoots, beats and/or physically intimidates the citizen homeowners, acts unprofessionally by screaming and cursing, etc. Someone on another blog commented as follows and I highly believe it to be true. “It’s a sign of a deep malignancy within “The State”…No one trusts The Law Enforcement Officer anymore….nobody. We no longer trust them, because we know this: You do not respect us, the citizen. You have contempt for our dignity as people. You do not exist for us, you exist for The State. And The State demands that you exact Absolute Physical Submission from us in every circumstance, no matter how unnecessary that Submission is to the resolution of the actual matter at hand.”.
This, IMHO is why CT and other LEOs will do just what you describe in the “fictional scenario”. I worked in Fire-Rescue/EMS with too many LEOs who saw themselves as above the citizen simply because of the badge they wore and the gun they carried. Protect and serve has taken on a different meaning nowadays. they protect and serve themselves and their political masters.
SlingTrebuchet said:
The captioning on this photo
reads:
Could be worse for the poet…..
He could have driven past some LAPD cops, and the cops empty their weapons into the van because he might be Christopher Dorner – even though the van was the wrong make and color.
102 bullet holes in one of the two trucks they shot up in separate incidents!
How many shots missed I wonder?
.
At least the women got something other than bullets from LAPD…
.
And it seems that maybe perhaps LAPD agrees that the shooting were slightly OTT, because *a whole year later*…..
Money talks to LAPD – especially their own money.
“Extensive retraining” would really make those cops feel sorry!
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Chief661:
Thanks. When I played cops and robbers back in the 1400s, anybody getting badge heavy was subjected to substantial good-natured ribbing from fellow officers, and if that didn’t work, to an equally substantial attitude adjustment session from their sergeant. That was normally all that was required to resolve the problem. Apparently that’s not universally done anymore.
bony fingers said:
everyone talks talks and nothing gets done. Who voted for the people that are taking away your guns and protection ? who is openly violating the constitution and why ? well you voted them in and you knew what they all were about before you voted them in (at least that’s how they justify their actions). So talk talk talk complain all the time like women at the clothes line hanging up your poop stained underwear. stained from pooing in your pants anytime and every time someone suggests that you DO something about it.
Jim Peel said:
The firearms debate will eventually descend to this: The number of citizens willing to die to keep their firearms vs. the number of citizens the government is willing to kill to take them away.
A sad commentary; but that is the future of firearms controls by those who seek people control as their ultimate objective.
Mike McDaniel said:
Dear Jim Peel:
Welcome to SMM and thanks for your comment. I very much hope it never comes to this, but fear, like you, that it may. Being involved and informed, and being willing to push back, may help to stave off that day.
GaslightDave said:
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I believe I have put this up before but it is worth revisiting. /Gaslight Dave
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